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Walters9515 · 02-01-2006, 08:12 PM

Which plate reverb brands and models did the old 50's and 60's records use?

Why did the old plate reverbs sound different? what is the size of these? what was the size mostly used for records in the 60's?

The plate metal or pickup head have anything to do with the sound?

What type of plate reverb did oceanway use?

How do i change the plate reverbs resonance?

Dave Martin · 02-01-2006, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Walters9515
Which plate reverb brands and models did the old 50's and 60's records use?

Why did the old plate reverbs sound different? what is the size of these? what was the size mostly used for records in the 60's?

The plate metal or pickup head have anything to do with the sound?

What type of plate reverb did oceanway use?

How do i change the plate reverbs resonance?

Pretty much all were EMT's 140's in that era. Gene Lawson made plates for a while in the 70's (that are still in some Nashville Studios), but not as early as you're talking about. There were a number of iterations of the 140 over the years - mono tube, stereo tube, and mono and stereo solid state.

The size is close to being 4'x8', though not exactly that, being metric and all. if the exact size is important to you, I could measure the one I'm rebuilding now...

The resonance changes with the tension on the plate, though the reverb time is controlled by the damper system.

MorePaul · 02-01-2006, 10:20 PM

As Dave was alluding to -- plate reverbs use the wonder of physics!

which differs from the forces of majic used by other types of reverb manufactured by New Guinea tribesmen

While EMTs are the, de facto, standrd -- the most sought after plate reverb system is the Franklin Mint "Spock /w Enterprise Background" plate system made in '73..only 300 of these collectible,hand numbered units were produced

Personally, I'm a little disappointed the Walters couldn't hang on his other thread -- I really think that if you gave it a shot there Watl...tried to creatively recover as opposed to just jumping ship, as usual, you could really freshen up the act
It's like doing a physical exercise just up to that discomfort level and never into it...the act isn't going to get stronger that way

Walters9515 · 02-01-2006, 10:35 PM

Thanks Dave alot

The resonance changes with the tension on the plate, though the reverb time is controlled by the damper system.

how does this damper system work?

How do i change the tension on the plate?

MorePaul · 02-01-2006, 10:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Walters9515
Thanks Dave alot

Not to worry abt thanking me - I realize it would be a break in character to do so and we can't have that ...even though I think we see little glimmering spots in the Waltersact which tend to indicate you are istening...though consistency lacks at this point
But I'll continue to work with ya - s, again, no worries brotha!

The resonance changes with the tension on the plate, though the reverb time is controlled by the damper system.

Ah see, there one of those holes...see, you asked in the initial post

Why did the old plate reverbs sound different? ...
The plate metal or pickup head have anything to do with the sound?

How do i change the plate reverbs resonance?

how does this damper system work?

How do i change the tension on the plate?

yet now you are doing the "factual declartion" deal which belies some passing familiarity (even though you sometimes get it wrong) which isn't quite in keeping with the "what is" aspect of the Walters character
that's something we can definitely work on...I mean, it is one thing that caused your most recent other thread to crap out (too many folk saw the man behind the curtain)..and precipitated your need to dump the thread and take the act back here[On that note - seriously, sticking it out in a dificult performance context will really help you strengthen the act!]

a little more character consistency will alloww you to get more audience "buy in"

Walters9515 · 02-01-2006, 10:52 PM

morepaul im wondering if your going to have a nervous breakdown about this whole walters thing? I'm getting worried about u buddy because your acting pretty weird it seems like u got worse did walters put holes in your mind?

Don't let walters stress u out and remember BE COOL

Walters9515 · 02-01-2006, 10:52 PM

The resonance changes with the tension on the plate, though the reverb time is controlled by the damper system.

how does this damper system work?

How do i change the tension on the plate?

MorePaul · 02-01-2006, 11:02 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Walters9515
morepaul im wondering if your going to have a nervous breakdown about this whole walters thing?

To be honest -I was a little more worried abt you

I mean not being able to maintain character, having to jump from lillie pad to lillie pad when the 'illusion cracks' so to speak

Though, it is heartening that you are starting to ref it as "this whole Walters thing" -- It, perhaps, shows a little more detatchment with the character..less emotional detatchment...so you can look at the act honestly and make the needed adjustments

I'm getting worried about u buddy because your acting pretty weird it seems like u got worse

hmm, doesn't seem so - peeps on the ole forums seem to be enjoying my end (look back at the eec guit thread...plenty of laughs, thumbs up , etc)

did walters put holes in your mind?

I have made a little "mental space" for us to discuss the Walters character, but it's watertight (ie I don't have to bail

..hint hint)
But this is a courtesy to you (as a performer) and to the forum (as a community)
I mean that's why we're here

Don't let walters stress u out and remember BE COOL

Stress? No worries (or how would Alfred E put it "What? me Worry?)
hmm, now That I think abt it, there seems to be a little bit of an attempt (not particularly successful) to cast Walters in the Alfred mold

I am a little concerned by your hopping in situations that stress the act though -- I mean that's really where you can grow and improve!and speaking of 'be cool' - as mentioned on the electric gutiar thread
when th Walters character is compromised, you do tend to go blue (and sometimes it gets abusive..that tool takes a ton of care to use theatrically, I don't think you're ready) -- so BE Cool, might be something you keep in mind

[that and...remember -- don't try to riposte until you clear your parry line]

Walters9515 · 02-01-2006, 11:17 PM

BE COOL= shut up and go away big guy

if u want to talk about your walters fetish start your own walters thread and go scrap with yourself your a adult i hope stop acting like a little girl and be mature get your own thread started

MorePaul · 02-01-2006, 11:32 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Walters9515
BE COOL= shut up and go away big guy

Ah, that might very well be the problem.

See how one one side of the equation you have
"be cool"
and on the other side you have
"shut up and go away"

Those aren't particularly congruent concepts

it's that misunderstanding of your audience that could be leading to the problems with your performance

It might be better to go with

BE COOL != shut up and go away big guy

if u want to talk about your walters fetish start your own walters thread and go scrap with yourself

but I''m here for you brotha! (and the rest of the forum) as we were mentionin g on the thread in the elec guitar forum -- we're here to improve you act, talk about technical& aesthetic issues, have a little fun AND foster an environment where this can all coexist!

your a adult i hope stop acting like a little girl and be mature get your own thread started

Well, it is a forum and, as such, threads don't so much have individual ownership -- as we said before "Well Mr Hand...I was thinking..if you're here and i'm here..."

think more "community" -- it's like ensemble playing

CN Fletcher · 02-02-2006, 07:57 AM

I'm sure you know all this but there are members of the congregation that don't so I'm going to reply to your query

Quote:

Originally posted by Walters9515
how does this damper system work?

It's a piece of insulation board [like Owens Corning 703] that comes in contact with the plate in varying degrees to absorb some of the energy trasmission within the steel of the plate. The amount of pressure applied to the steel by the fiber board will determine the decay time of the plate. The amount of pressure can be remotely controlled from a motor system or locally controlled with a little wheel that moves the damper arm which adds or decreases the amount of pressure with which the fiberboard comes in contact with the steel [there is a pointer on the whell and "timing markings" on a plaque on the top of the plate... with the motorized version there is a meter that will give an approximate timing readout]

Quote:

How do i change the tension on the plate?

The metal of the plate is suspended from metal clips in a steel tube frame. Each of thise metal clips has a tension adjustment. You turn the nut on the suspension clip until you like the sound of the plate or you break the clip. I don't know where to get replacement clips so it's probably best not to fuck with tuning a plate yourself.

Greg Hanks is the best I've ever met at tuning plates... followed by Al Firestein... and Gary Meyerburg on the west coast... you can try it yourself, but I'd recommend you find some replacement clips before you give it a shot.

Walters9515 · 02-02-2006, 01:14 PM

Thanks Fletcher@mercenary.com

How do i change the Resonance of the reverb?

How do i change the Attack driving the Reverb?

When i send a pulse waveform into the reverb it vibrates different why?

How do i make a sinewaveform guitar signal more like its pulsing the reverb so it vibrates the Plate different?

where02190 · 02-02-2006, 01:18 PM

AND WE"RE OFF!!!!!!!!

This should get good really fast!!!!!

Kiwiburger · 02-02-2006, 01:55 PM

Once again we see the symbiotic Walters/Fletcher partnership in action. The Ying/Yang - the bad cop/good cop - the Madness/Method - the product placement.

Why thank you! walters@mercenary.com - I do believe an SPL Transient Designer (available from www.mercenary.com) would be the perfect answer for modifying the attack of my sinewaveform guitar signal before I route it to my EMT140.

Walters9515 · 02-02-2006, 02:01 PM

Kiwi what kind of analog plate reverbs u have? or know about?

What does the EQ on the plate reverbs do ?

How do i change the input attack?

Kiwiburger · 02-02-2006, 02:30 PM

Could I interest you in a special Royal Doulton Bunnykins Plate?

Walters9515 · 02-02-2006, 02:41 PM

So i guess u don't know about EMT plates?

Kiwiburger · 02-02-2006, 02:43 PM

Do they have pictures of little bunnies on them?

EerieDreamZ · 02-02-2006, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kiwiburger
Do they have pictures of little bunnies on them?

Hey! I LIKE lil bunnies!!!

Walters9515 · 02-02-2006, 02:49 PM

Kiwi have u ever had your hands on a EMT plate?

Or even ran your audio tracks through one?

02-01-2006, 08:12 PM	#1
Walters9515 HC Brick Wall Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: mecca Posts: 3,572	old plate reverbs Which plate reverb brands and models did the old 50's and 60's records use? Why did the old plate reverbs sound different? what is the size of these? what was the size mostly used for records in the 60's? The plate metal or pickup head have anything to do with the sound? What type of plate reverb did oceanway use? How do i change the plate reverbs resonance?

02-01-2006, 11:32 PM	#10
MorePaul Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,196	[quote]Originally posted by Walters9515 BE COOL= shut up and go away big guy Ah, that might very well be the problem. See how one one side of the equation you have "be cool" and on the other side you have "shut up and go away" Those aren't particularly congruent concepts it's that misunderstanding of your audience that could be leading to the problems with your performance It might be better to go with BE COOL != shut up and go away big guy if u want to talk about your walters fetish start your own walters thread and go scrap with yourself but I''m here for you brotha! (and the rest of the forum) as we were mentionin g on the thread in the elec guitar forum -- we're here to improve you act, talk about technical& aesthetic issues, have a little fun AND foster an environment where this can all coexist! your a adult i hope stop acting like a little girl and be mature get your own thread started Well, it is a forum and, as such, threads don't so much have individual ownership -- as we said before "Well Mr Hand...I was thinking..if you're here and i'm here..." think more "community" -- it's like ensemble playing Last edited by MorePaul : 02-02-2006 at 12:16 AM.

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02-01-2006, 10:20 PM	#3
MorePaul Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,196	As Dave was alluding to -- plate reverbs use the wonder of physics! which differs from the forces of majic used by other types of reverb manufactured by New Guinea tribesmen While EMTs are the, de facto, standrd -- the most sought after plate reverb system is the Franklin Mint "Spock /w Enterprise Background" plate system made in '73..only 300 of these collectible,hand numbered units were produced Personally, I'm a little disappointed the Walters couldn't hang on his other thread -- I really think that if you gave it a shot there Watl...tried to creatively recover as opposed to just jumping ship, as usual, you could really freshen up the act It's like doing a physical exercise just up to that discomfort level and never into it...the act isn't going to get stronger that way

02-01-2006, 10:35 PM	#4
Walters9515 HC Brick Wall Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: mecca Posts: 3,572	Thanks Dave alot The resonance changes with the tension on the plate, though the reverb time is controlled by the damper system. how does this damper system work? How do i change the tension on the plate?

02-01-2006, 10:45 PM	#5
MorePaul Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,196	[quote]Originally posted by Walters9515 Thanks Dave alot Not to worry abt thanking me - I realize it would be a break in character to do so and we can't have that ...even though I think we see little glimmering spots in the Waltersact which tend to indicate you are istening...though consistency lacks at this point But I'll continue to work with ya - s, again, no worries brotha! The resonance changes with the tension on the plate, though the reverb time is controlled by the damper system. Ah see, there one of those holes...see, you asked in the initial post Why did the old plate reverbs sound different? ... The plate metal or pickup head have anything to do with the sound? How do i change the plate reverbs resonance? how does this damper system work? How do i change the tension on the plate? yet now you are doing the "factual declartion" deal which belies some passing familiarity (even though you sometimes get it wrong) which isn't quite in keeping with the "what is" aspect of the Walters character that's something we can definitely work on...I mean, it is one thing that caused your most recent other thread to crap out (too many folk saw the man behind the curtain)..and precipitated your need to dump the thread and take the act back here[On that note - seriously, sticking it out in a dificult performance context will really help you strengthen the act!] a little more character consistency will alloww you to get more audience "buy in"

02-01-2006, 10:52 PM	#6
Walters9515 HC Brick Wall Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: mecca Posts: 3,572	morepaul im wondering if your going to have a nervous breakdown about this whole walters thing? I'm getting worried about u buddy because your acting pretty weird it seems like u got worse did walters put holes in your mind? Don't let walters stress u out and remember BE COOL

02-01-2006, 11:02 PM	#8
MorePaul Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,196	[quote]Originally posted by Walters9515 morepaul im wondering if your going to have a nervous breakdown about this whole walters thing? To be honest -I was a little more worried abt you I mean not being able to maintain character, having to jump from lillie pad to lillie pad when the 'illusion cracks' so to speak Though, it is heartening that you are starting to ref it as "this whole Walters thing" -- It, perhaps, shows a little more detatchment with the character..less emotional detatchment...so you can look at the act honestly and make the needed adjustments I'm getting worried about u buddy because your acting pretty weird it seems like u got worse hmm, doesn't seem so - peeps on the ole forums seem to be enjoying my end (look back at the eec guit thread...plenty of laughs, thumbs up , etc) did walters put holes in your mind? I have made a little "mental space" for us to discuss the Walters character, but it's watertight (ie I don't have to bail ..hint hint) But this is a courtesy to you (as a performer) and to the forum (as a community) I mean that's why we're here Don't let walters stress u out and remember BE COOL Stress? No worries (or how would Alfred E put it "What? me Worry?) hmm, now That I think abt it, there seems to be a little bit of an attempt (not particularly successful) to cast Walters in the Alfred mold I am a little concerned by your hopping in situations that stress the act though -- I mean that's really where you can grow and improve!and speaking of 'be cool' - as mentioned on the electric gutiar thread when th Walters character is compromised, you do tend to go blue (and sometimes it gets abusive..that tool takes a ton of care to use theatrically, I don't think you're ready) -- so BE Cool, might be something you keep in mind [that and...remember -- don't try to riposte until you clear your parry line]

02-01-2006, 11:17 PM	#9
Walters9515 HC Brick Wall Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: mecca Posts: 3,572	BE COOL= shut up and go away big guy if u want to talk about your walters fetish start your own walters thread and go scrap with yourself your a adult i hope stop acting like a little girl and be mature get your own thread started

02-02-2006, 01:14 PM	#12
Walters9515 HC Brick Wall Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: mecca Posts: 3,572	Thanks Fletcher@mercenary.com How do i change the Resonance of the reverb? How do i change the Attack driving the Reverb? When i send a pulse waveform into the reverb it vibrates different why? How do i make a sinewaveform guitar signal more like its pulsing the reverb so it vibrates the Plate different?

02-02-2006, 01:18 PM	#13
where02190 Banned Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 7,645	AND WE"RE OFF!!!!!!!! This should get good really fast!!!!!

02-02-2006, 01:55 PM	#14
Kiwiburger Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: New Zealand Posts: 3,757	Once again we see the symbiotic Walters/Fletcher partnership in action. The Ying/Yang - the bad cop/good cop - the Madness/Method - the product placement. Why thank you! walters@mercenary.com - I do believe an SPL Transient Designer (available from www.mercenary.com) would be the perfect answer for modifying the attack of my sinewaveform guitar signal before I route it to my EMT140.

02-02-2006, 02:01 PM	#15
Walters9515 HC Brick Wall Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: mecca Posts: 3,572	Kiwi what kind of analog plate reverbs u have? or know about? What does the EQ on the plate reverbs do ? How do i change the input attack?

02-02-2006, 02:30 PM	#16
Kiwiburger Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: New Zealand Posts: 3,757	Could I interest you in a special Royal Doulton Bunnykins Plate?

02-02-2006, 02:41 PM	#17
Walters9515 HC Brick Wall Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: mecca Posts: 3,572	So i guess u don't know about EMT plates?

02-02-2006, 02:43 PM	#18
Kiwiburger Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: New Zealand Posts: 3,757	Do they have pictures of little bunnies on them?

02-02-2006, 02:49 PM	#20
Walters9515 HC Brick Wall Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: mecca Posts: 3,572	Kiwi have u ever had your hands on a EMT plate? Or even ran your audio tracks through one?