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Old 09-02-2005, 03:47 PM   #1
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Finally got my FRAMUS COBRA!!@!@

Just bought it at wild west guitars here in riverside, got a screaming deal for the head i paid 1900, brand new in box with a footswitch, and the straight cab for 600.

2500$ for a new framus cobra half stack, fucking awesome! im still in shock, i get to pick it up tuesday!

full review will follow as soon as i get it
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Old 09-02-2005, 03:49 PM   #3
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Nice man, congrats on your new amp. I am thinking of selling my powerball and buying cobra instead. Post some pics and a review If you´ll have some time(probably you´ll be too busy playing the amp ) Take care

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just had a gig with mine tonite...and another tomorrow...never fails to perform like a champ
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Re: Finally got my FRAMUS COBRA!!@!@

congrats man! fuck i need to visit that place, what other higher end amps to they cary?
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just had a gig with mine tonite...and another tomorrow...never fails to perform like a champ
How does the Cobra do in terms of cutting through?...I love the tones (Unearth/Derek's sound clips) but it sounds maybe a touch "hollow". Do you have to really push the mid frequencies to get some cut / projection?...would you say it slices better or worse than say, a Mesa recto?...I am very interested in this amp, havn't heard anything quite like it in terms of tone. It's almost sounds like the bastard child of a 5150 and a dual rectifier...your thoughs are appreciated. Thank you.
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... It's almost sounds like the bastard child of a 5150 and a dual rectifier...your thoughs are appreciated. Thank you.
yeah... mine is slightly more scooped than my 5150... but the bottom end on the Cobra is just fabulous... the tone is smooth and edgy at the same time... great amp.

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Old 09-03-2005, 05:53 AM   #10
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Evan, tuesday you will be a very happy man. This amp is wonderful.


angelspade - The amp cuts like a hot knife through butter.
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Problems with Framus Cobra cutting in the mix?

Hey guys, I'm interested in getting a Cobra (like many of us hahaha) but my only concern is, one of the guitar players in my old band had one and he had a hard time getting it to cut through the mix of the band. We were metalcore-ish in the vein of Unearth, As I Lay Dying.. etc. etc. so while his mids weren't scooped ALL the way out, they were about 7 or 8 o'clock. Was it just due to his settings or is the amp known to not cut as good? Oh yeah... and he had a quad of KT-88's in that bad boy and the low end pretty much disembowled anyone who walked infront of it hahahaha. Any input would be appreciated... thanks!


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maybe different speakers and/or different PUPs would help
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Re: Problems with Framus Cobra cutting in the mix?

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Hey guys, I'm interested in getting a Cobra (like many of us hahaha) but my only concern is, one of the guitar players in my old band had one and he had a hard time getting it to cut through the mix of the band. We were metalcore-ish in the vein of Unearth, As I Lay Dying.. etc. etc. so while his mids weren't scooped ALL the way out, they were about 7 or 8 o'clock. Was it just due to his settings or is the amp known to not cut as good? Oh yeah... and he had a quad of KT-88's in that bad boy and the low end pretty much disembowled anyone who walked infront of it hahahaha. Any input would be appreciated... thanks!


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Well the first thing I'd point out is that KT-88's have a very flat frequency response when compared to any tube but especially EL-34's which have alot of midrange bite to them. I wouldn't recommend the Kt-88's in that amp if you want CUT. Did he have the amp modded to use them in it? I don't think you could just through them in and adjust the bias, you'd need to change some resistors. Also, you didn't say if your friend used the Crunch or Lead channel for his rhythm sounds, the latter is more compressed and is better off for leads IMO. I'd say his mid setting is definitely too low. Does he run EMG's too. Those are scooped PUPS and the combo will give you too hollow of a sound(with those mid settings). What speakers? V30's would help in this senario. To answer your question, I think the amp cuts through great in my situations. It cuts way way better than the tremoverb I had prior. There certainly isn't a cutting through problem with it I can tell you that.I hear alot of marshall in this amp but the difference is that it has a lower mid that gives you that MESA Rectifier roar. Hope that helps some.
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maybe different speakers and/or different PUPs would help
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Besides a Soldano SLO, I think you can have problems with alot of high gainers if these two components are fighting against you. I heard the SLO is like a laser through a fog in any situation.
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yeah... mine is slightly more scooped than my 5150... but the bottom end on the Cobra is just fabulous... the tone is smooth and edgy at the same time... great amp.
Really? Mine has more mids by far than any 5150 I've ever played. It will definitely make a difference with speakers though. I have too turn down the mids with my v30's.
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How does the Cobra do in terms of cutting through?...I love the tones (Unearth/Derek's sound clips) but it sounds maybe a touch "hollow". Do you have to really push the mid frequencies to get some cut / projection?...would you say it slices better or worse than say, a Mesa recto?...I am very interested in this amp, havn't heard anything quite like it in terms of tone. It's almost sounds like the bastard child of a 5150 and a dual rectifier...your thoughs are appreciated. Thank you.
If you mean Unearth's recorded tone, I don't think they were using Framus amps yet. Live Unearth's tone kills. Also pay attention to what channel you're listening to on Derek's clips. I think there's only one Crunch Channel clip that SETH does and it will give you a better idea of what the amp's capable of doing regarding cutting through. The Lead Channel is darker and more compressed like a Rectifer. I don't use it for rhythm sounds. The Crunch Is really more like the bastard child of a JCM800 with the low mid of a Rectifier.
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Well the first thing I'd point out is that KT-88's have a very flat frequency response when compared to any tube but especially EL-34's which have alot of midrange bite to them. I wouldn't recommend the Kt-88's in that amp if you want CUT. Did he have the amp modded to use them in it? I don't think you could just through them in and adjust the bias, you'd need to change some resistors. Also, you didn't say if your friend used the Crunch or Lead channel for his rhythm sounds, the latter is more compressed and is better off for leads IMO. I'd say his mid setting is definitely too low. Does he run EMG's too. Those are scooped PUPS and the combo will give you too hollow of a sound(with those mid settings). What speakers? V30's would help in this senario. To answer your question, I think the amp cuts through great in my situations. It cuts way way better than the tremoverb I had prior. There certainly isn't a cutting through problem with it I can tell you that.I hear alot of marshall in this amp but the difference is that it has a lower mid that gives you that MESA Rectifier roar. Hope that helps some.
no he didn't have it modded for the KT-88's but he did have it biased so it could use them without damaging it, and he did use the lead channel as the rhythm, because like you said it has that more "punishing type" rectifier sound. and yes he ran EMG's so pretty much everything you suggested that could be wrong, was hahahahaha, so I guess I know the answer now. But he was using a Mesa Rectifier cab with V30's so at least that was helping.
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How does the Cobra do in terms of cutting through?...I love the tones (Unearth/Derek's sound clips) but it sounds maybe a touch "hollow". Do you have to really push the mid frequencies to get some cut / projection?...would you say it slices better or worse than say, a Mesa recto?...I am very interested in this amp, havn't heard anything quite like it in terms of tone. It's almost sounds like the bastard child of a 5150 and a dual rectifier...your thoughs are appreciated. Thank you.
i've owned and gigged with a recto, and i have to say the cobra fits in the mix much better...it's clear as a bell without having ear piercing highs; with the right settings the midrange on this amp is just huge sounding and it's got a snarl that is like no other amp i've played

i usually have the mids around noon, so i'm not really pushing the mids but they're not hiding either...i'd say it's more like a bastard child of a boosted jcm800 and dual rectifier
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Re: Re: Re: Problems with Framus Cobra cutting in the mix?

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no he didn't have it modded for the KT-88's but he did have it biased so it could use them without damaging it, and he did use the lead channel as the rhythm, because like you said it has that more "punishing type" rectifier sound. and yes he ran EMG's so pretty much everything you suggested that could be wrong, was hahahahaha, so I guess I know the answer now. But he was using a Mesa Rectifier cab with V30's so at least that was helping.
Didn't need a magic eight ball for that one, NEXT!! So you can definitely make it cut right if you mess with it or just use it differently than your bud. I'd suggest Crunch channel, mids at atleast 10:00 go higher for EMGs which are already scooped. With my V30's I can turn the mids down but when I ran it with my VHT cab I had to run the mids over 12:00 because those P50's are so scooped sounding. I find that the Lead channel is too loose to use for my rhythm stuff unless I dial the gain back like a rectifier. With the Crunch you can max it out and it will remain tight and still cut because of it's tone.
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Re: Problems with Framus Cobra cutting in the mix?

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Hey guys, I'm interested in getting a Cobra (like many of us hahaha) but my only concern is, one of the guitar players in my old band had one and he had a hard time getting it to cut through the mix of the band. We were metalcore-ish in the vein of Unearth, As I Lay Dying.. etc. etc. so while his mids weren't scooped ALL the way out, they were about 7 or 8 o'clock. Was it just due to his settings or is the amp known to not cut as good? Oh yeah... and he had a quad of KT-88's in that bad boy and the low end pretty much disembowled anyone who walked infront of it hahahaha. Any input would be appreciated... thanks!


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i really have no clue what your band sounds like, but having the mids that low would be a good explanation as to why the amp didn't cut thru...i have mine around noon
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