Yonaguni Monument

[the stranger]

I'm assuming the truth about this specific video is as questionable as anything, but you do catch the part where they said thousands of pictures and videos since 1991?

[girevik]

Originally Posted by Rudolf von Hagenwil

I do it for fun, not for a living.

That with 'Ash' and 'Jack' makes no sense via Transclick in the languages

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106308/quotes

[chipmcdonald]

The thing that's more interesting to me is, "what was the unifying sociological pressure that enabled the construction of these places to occur?"

We know of the political structure and intellect that led to the Greek ruins, and the Roman empire. The Egypt king cults - what led to such power being invested in the leadership? Ankor Wat temple ruins - how did a religion become so focused in that one area, what event made that possible? The Mayan ruins, Incan, the Easter Island monoliths?

The Gobeleki site - what goaded the number of people required to make such an enormous construction, and then later - bury it? What happened between then, and Stonehenge - which obviously has a common design precept?

I'm of the thought that it can only be one of two things, because of that period in human history - the Stonehenge era (discounting Gobeleki Tepi) seems very "suddenly" active, with both religions and sociological organizations occurring in a relatively cosmically-short time period.

1) a period in time where humans were at an evolutionary crossroads. Maybe we had a group of "Modern Developed Prefrontals" running roughshod over Earlier Model Proto-Prefrontals". We suddenly get written language happening all over the planet;

2) a "cosmic non-linear event". Something was interceding on the planet: God, aliens, interdimensional beings named Jean Bigboote, I don't know.

OR, something cataclysmic had just interrupted humans around 12,000 B.C., and suddenly across the globe they were getting "back on track". An asteroid, poles shifting, some sort of global catastrophe that either displaced humans dramatically, or made life on a daily basis so burdensome there was no time/energy for anything other than mere survival.

In which case, it's interesting to wonder how far humans may have come along before said event.

Otherwise, the time table vs. the scale doesn't match evolution and land bridge time frames. Also, the uniformity of religions occurring seems curious; what geographical culture *doesn't* have some sort of regional religious convention? Which again seems to indicate a spontaneous psychological "moment", or "external tweaking" going on.

[Jotown]

The truth is that science has known very little about these things until very, very recently. If you listen to the mythology and - or in the case of India - history of various cultures around the globe you hear that they believe that human civilzation has risen and fallen many times. Great Ages have come and gone. There have been catastrophies on earth that science doesn't even understand.

I have no problem believing that humans have been around for a very long time and I don't need to believe in aliens to sense that this is true. These monuments prove that there were very advanced civilizations all over this planet long before the west barely awake. Some scientists don't like to think about this as it goes against what they were taught in school.

The truth is evolving in every moment and we know more now than we did just 20 years ago.

[Rudolf von Hagenwil]

vely vely intelesting

[rhino55]

Truth cannot evolve. It is what it is.

However, our preception of the truth is evolves over time. And I think this ever changing notion of "truth" is science

[UstadKhanAli]

Originally Posted by rhino55

Truth cannot evolve. It is what it is.

However, our preception of the truth is evolves over time. And I think this ever changing notion of "truth" is science

So much so that science doesn't even call it "truth"; it labels it as "theories", recognizing that theories and ideas continue to evolve.

[rhino55]

Originally Posted by UstadKhanAli

So much so that science doesn't even call it "truth"; it labels it as "theories", recognizing that theories and ideas continue to evolve.

This is Truth

[girevik]

Some of you may have seen this ancient brooch which some claim to be a model of an airplane:



I'd seen the longer documentary of the German aerodynamics expert who attempted to build a working model plane based on the brooch, with dimensions of the wings and such based on the brooch. This video mentions his story at around 6:00 but omitted the fact that his initial model plane was a failure - it somersaulted in the air and crashed spectacularly, as seen on the longer documentary that I saw. He had to tweak the design a bit (compare the sizes of the wings, fins, etc. on the brooch to the model that flew successfuly in the video):



There's also a shot of the infamous ancient Egyptian plane/helicopter carving and some discussion of it toward the end of the video. The carving:



It was easier to laugh this stuff off as wild speculation until I saw "Life After People", because I figured if there were ancient helicopters and jets, we should have found them by now. But that program showed how metallic objects like cars, jets, etc. would corrode and be disintegrated in as little as 100 yrs if abandoned.

Edit: I may have confused the stories of the Pre-Colombian plane and the Egyptian Sakkara Bird-modeled plane - I think it was the Sakkara model that crashed until a pair of stabilizing fits was added, and the Pre-Colombian model was the one that flew without initial mishap, once a propeller and flaps were added.

[Anderton]

I have zero doubt that there are unidentified flying objects. The question is what they are!

[Rudolf von Hagenwil]

aliens have been vely vely good to me

[girevik]

I hope archeologists discover how the Egyptians built a landspeeder (as depicted next to the Apache-ish helicopter)!

[the stranger]

[the stranger]

http://www.disclose.tv/viewvideo/314...er_than_Egypt/

[John Sayers]

Here's another interesting construction in Ireland - 3200BC

http://www.knowth.com/new-grange.htm

Here's one explanation for Big things be it buildings, stones or dinosaurs.

[the stranger]

http://www.viewzone.com/adamscalendar.html

Something amazing has been discovered in an area of South Africa, about 150 miles inland, west of the port of Maputo. It is the remains of a huge metropolis that measures, in conservative estimates, about 1500 square miles. It's part of an even larger community that is about 10,000 square miles and appears to have been constructed -- are you ready -- from 160,000 to 200,000 BCE!

The rest of the article is at the above link. More wild and crazy stuff that fits the theme of this thread. I love this stuff!

[UstadKhanAli]

This thread keeps sinking and reemerging mysteriously again. Perfect for this sort of topic!

[the stranger]

How is me bumping it so mysterious?

I just figure why start a new thread for each tidbit that would add to this discussion. And this can be the official clearing house thread for bizarre shit.

Not to mention, when you put these various articles together, I think it provides a fairly compelling case. For what, I'm not sure.

[John Sayers]

Stranger - if you check out your Bosnian pyramid on google earth you'll notice it only looks pyramid shaped when taken from the angle of the picture - the back side is nothing like it.

[halljams]

Originally Posted by blue2blue

Science is not dogmatic.

In fact, the Scientific Method is designed to discourage the formation of dogma.

People are often dogmatic, and sometimes some of them call themselves scientists.

But when someone is being dogmatic -- he is not being scientific.

There is a lot of willful ignorance and a stunning lack of intellectual/logical ability running through the approach of the anti-science crowd -- and one of the most common and pernicious aspects of this is the repeated anthropomorphization of capital S science as though Science was some sort of cynical cabal designed to keep people from some sort of secret truth...

This canard has been one of the most frequently used tactics -- in a less than divinely ironic way -- of those who appear to labor to keep people ignorant and superstitious.

Maybe some of the time, but science is mistaken at times in looking for answers that lie elsewhere. As well in claiming that the only real proof of this or that is through the scientific medium.
That is simply a way of keeping people controlled or diverted from thinking/feeling for themselves. Or maybe it was/is marketing to an easy demographic of the masses who actually don't want to think for themselves. Then it turns around and looks real to newer generations, it's all they know and they are told with such authority(force fed i mean).