Playing Rolands best V-Drums vs a real kit...... - Harmony Central Musician Community Forums

Dr. Tweedbucket · 03-07-2006, 05:17 AM

Discuss

Drooling Dog · 03-07-2006, 08:29 AM

I love my V-Drums for practicing. Tried them at a gig once, and hated them.

I don't have their current "best", but a previous "best". V-Pros with an expanded TD-10 brain:

gcdrummer · 03-07-2006, 10:26 AM

vdrums serve a purpose. If you try to play them outside of that, they bite.

MightyBricklayer · 03-07-2006, 01:27 PM

i've gigged with my dtxpressIII, but i play styles that require sampled kits.

blinz · 03-07-2006, 02:18 PM

Used V-Drums for 5 years for playing in my old church. They owned them so I used them. After tweaking them a good bit, I was able to get an OK sound, not great but decent. My biggest complaint was that the hi-hat and snare did not transmit all the little nuances. The few times we did set up and use a real kit everybody always agreed they sounded far better.

Drumr · 03-07-2006, 03:09 PM

I'm with you Tommy...they just can't replicate a stick on a real drum.

Dynamics are lost. Personal "feel" gets muddled.

Electronic drums are great for driving, pulse music, disco, even recording...genres that remain fairly constant volumes.

Unfortunately I don't get to play music like that.

Dr. Tweedbucket · 03-07-2006, 04:31 PM

I had to fill in for another drummer and just couldn't put any feeling into it. The snare kept mis triggering and blanking out which was way messed up.

C JoGo · 03-09-2006, 11:59 PM

Live & in the studio ---electronics only! Love being able to play, with very little energy exerted >>& simply turn up or down the sampler. Never an issue with the band or venue..they control the volume @ FOH --Track live in the studio~ a few feet from an acoustic guitar ...no bleed

Remember "the quieter you play ~the more they pay!"

Quartet that plays 60-70's rock

C JoGo · 03-10-2006, 11:47 AM

DRUMR

Not sure why we would need this unit ?--Don't think it would fit in my car trunk..the venues supply the mains & we have 2 small wedge monitors --and I have a Boss 5in > right next to me..more than loud enough ~~even for heavy solos.
A little pricy--more than twice my whole drum system! How tall is this unit ? And heaver than my drum pad, probably...
Maybe I will give a listen in Big Sur--

Drumr · 03-10-2006, 01:39 PM

C Jogo

I really can't explain well enough what the Bose could do for you, and maybe you don't need it. But being so close to the gathering, you should really stop in and meet some incredible Bose engineers and devoted musicians who follow their lead. I'm flying in all the way from Illinois!

Hope to see you there, please introduce yourself to me, I am very curious about your cool drum pads.

P

C JoGo · 03-10-2006, 05:00 PM

The pads are the TRAP KAT--incorporates 24 pads ~ plus Kick & Hat . Fits under your arm to carry to the gig. Fits quickly in the trunk of my car ! 10 of the pads are raised --perfect for cymbals --percussion. I just output 4 channels, from a kurweil > to the FOH . The small powered Boss monitor (5in- ) -is perfect for me. The rest of the band has 2 powered wedge monitors ...With strings you don't need much amplification.

One of the main reasons we aquire the gigs --is because we can set-up quickly and play very quite !! But play familar 60-70's music --Cream-LedZep-Jimi-Doors-Motown-I even solo on the Iron Butterfly classic

The Bose is probably a top unit !! Just would "get-in" the way on stages- and would not fit in any of the cars we drive --will it bend in half

C JoGo · 03-10-2006, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Drumr
C Jogo

I really can't explain well enough what the Bose could do for you, and maybe you don't need it. But being so close to the gathering, you should really stop in and meet some incredible Bose engineers and devoted musicians who follow their lead. I'm flying in all the way from Illinois!

Hope to see you there, please introduce yourself to me, I am very curious about your cool drum pads.

P

Where in Big Sur??

Drumr · 03-11-2006, 07:03 AM

C Jogo,
We are gathering at the Big Sur Lodge. Special rates for Bose-Os. We will also be doing musical things at a hilltop studio about 20 minutes away. Not sure of the name of it, it's where the Big Sur Natives rehearse and put on shows.

The pics of it look nice. They are posted here and there in the Bose Forums.

About the Trap Kat, is this a new thing or something old? I never heard of it...and I've been around a loooong time.

I would really like to meet up with you out there and see this thing in action.

PS The Bose would fit in your trunk. It breaks down into small, light pieces. Would only be useful to you if you did not have FOH sound, and did your own. That's how we do it.

C JoGo · 03-11-2006, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Drumr
C Jogo,
We are gathering at the Big Sur Lodge. Special rates for Bose-Os. We will also be doing musical things at a hilltop studio about 20 minutes away. Not sure of the name of it, it's where the Big Sur Natives rehearse and put on shows.

The pics of it look nice. They are posted here and there in the Bose Forums.

About the Trap Kat, is this a new thing or something old? I never heard of it...and I've been around a loooong time.

I would really like to meet up with you out there and see this thing in action.

PS The Bose would fit in your trunk. It breaks down into small, light pieces. Would only be useful to you if you did not have FOH sound, and did your own. That's how we do it.

Still around

TRAP KAT

C JoGo · 03-11-2006, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Drumr
C Jogo,
We are gathering at the Big Sur Lodge. Special rates for Bose-Os. We will also be doing musical things at a hilltop studio about 20 minutes away. Not sure of the name of it, it's where the Big Sur Natives rehearse and put on shows.

The pics of it look nice. They are posted here and there in the Bose Forums.

About the Trap Kat, is this a new thing or something old? I never heard of it...and I've been around a loooong time.

I would really like to meet up with you out there and see this thing in action.

PS The Bose would fit in your trunk. It breaks down into small, light pieces. Would only be useful to you if you did not have FOH sound, and did your own. That's how we do it.

I don't get down to Big Sur--too often--work in a studio> down that way -sporadically. Some great players !! I should bring my Trap Kat

Drumr · 03-12-2006, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by blinz
My biggest complaint was that the hi-hat and snare did not transmit all the little nuances.

I would go on to say that the toms & ride cymbal suffers the same fate, and the kick has very limited dynamics.

I bought a Hart Studio set last year with a TD-12 controller. Kept it for 10 days, then sent it all back and paid $600 in re-stock fees. That's a pretty good example of how much I didn't care for them.

Drumr · 03-12-2006, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by C JoGo

I don't get down to Big Sur--too often--work in a studio> down that way -sporadically. Some great players !! I should bring my Trap Kat

I just checked mapquest, looks like I'll be coming right thru Carmel on my way to Big Sur. Do you have any problem with meeting up with my wife & I on the way down? Probably April 23, sunday.

Or you could also just come on down for the fun and learn about the Bose system while you're at it.

C JoGo · 03-12-2006, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Drumr

I would go on to say that the toms & ride cymbal suffers the same fate, and the kick has very limited dynamics.

I bought a Hart Studio set last year with a TD-12 controller. Kept it for 10 days, then sent it all back and paid $600 in re-stock fees. That's a pretty good example of how much I didn't care for them.

Most of the nuances --I place by my fingers from our Kurzweils keyboards.. All the quick work on hats, I double all the cymbals crashes . etc > are done on seperate midi tracks, on the Kurzweil sequencer ...But 90 % of the track is from the Fat Kat --Guess I have been playing these pads for 10+ years ..have no problems~ at all

C JoGo · 03-12-2006, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Drumr

I just checked mapquest, looks like I'll be coming right thru Carmel on my way to Big Sur. Do you have any problem with meeting up with my wife & I on the way down? Probably April 23, sunday.

Or you could also just come on down for the fun and learn about the Bose system while you're at it.

Sure give me call the week before--should have no problems

Look forward to the both of you stopping by !!

Mopzilla · 03-12-2006, 08:26 PM

I play the real thing for practically everything... but when I go to the drum shop, I take my chops from the real thing and play on the v-drums... and it sounds like im the best drummer in the world! All the kids on the acoustic sets look in awe...

Deal is, doubles, triples with one hand are fully triggered on the good v-drums, but are hard to do on rock drums tuned low. So with minimal effort, you can do really cool stuff

View Poll Results: With no noise or space restrictions, which is better?
I prefer the V-drums, thank you	6	28.57%
I prefer playing the real thing......	8	38.10%
V-drums are good if you want weird sounds but for regular drum sounds, they suck.	3	14.29%
Real drums allow you to express the feeling you have within you...... V-drums don't	4	19.05%
Voters: 21. You may not vote on this poll

03-07-2006, 05:17 AM	#1
Dr. Tweedbucket Chief Thread Director Join Date: May 2002 Location: In a Quadature Beam Gamma Ray early detection / deflection station on the top of Mt. Kwakkleberry. Posts: 5,793	Playing Rolands best V-Drums vs a real kit...... Discuss __________________ Yeah well ......... Waddayagonna do? hi

03-07-2006, 08:29 AM	#2
Drooling Dog Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 79	I love my V-Drums for practicing. Tried them at a gig once, and hated them. I don't have their current "best", but a previous "best". V-Pros with an expanded TD-10 brain: __________________ Drum Blogs

03-07-2006, 10:26 AM	#3
gcdrummer Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Nashville Posts: 1,279	vdrums serve a purpose. If you try to play them outside of that, they bite. __________________ Move to the beat of a different drummer. tommymaras.com Niacin Flush Music The 2005 Tama Exotix, Red Viking, in my avitar is for sale.

03-07-2006, 01:27 PM	#4
MightyBricklayer Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 225	i've gigged with my dtxpressIII, but i play styles that require sampled kits. __________________ f**k your gear

03-07-2006, 02:18 PM	#5
blinz Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: York, PA, USA Posts: 1,175	Used V-Drums for 5 years for playing in my old church. They owned them so I used them. After tweaking them a good bit, I was able to get an OK sound, not great but decent. My biggest complaint was that the hi-hat and snare did not transmit all the little nuances. The few times we did set up and use a real kit everybody always agreed they sounded far better.

03-07-2006, 03:09 PM	#6
Drumr Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 209	I'm with you Tommy...they just can't replicate a stick on a real drum. Dynamics are lost. Personal "feel" gets muddled. Electronic drums are great for driving, pulse music, disco, even recording...genres that remain fairly constant volumes. Unfortunately I don't get to play music like that. __________________ "buy quality and you only cry once" - C.H. Drums Website

03-07-2006, 04:31 PM	#7
Dr. Tweedbucket Chief Thread Director Join Date: May 2002 Location: In a Quadature Beam Gamma Ray early detection / deflection station on the top of Mt. Kwakkleberry. Posts: 5,793	I had to fill in for another drummer and just couldn't put any feeling into it. The snare kept mis triggering and blanking out which was way messed up. __________________ Yeah well ......... Waddayagonna do? hi

03-09-2006, 11:59 PM	#8
C JoGo Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: CARMEL : CA Posts: 552	Live & in the studio ---electronics only! Love being able to play, with very little energy exerted >>& simply turn up or down the sampler. Never an issue with the band or venue..they control the volume @ FOH --Track live in the studio~ a few feet from an acoustic guitar ...no bleed Remember "the quieter you play ~the more they pay!" Quartet that plays 60-70's rock __________________ C Jo Go Crystal Studios CRYSTAL STUDIOS Last edited by C JoGo : 03-10-2006 at 12:06 AM.

03-10-2006, 11:47 AM	#9
C JoGo Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: CARMEL : CA Posts: 552	DRUMR Not sure why we would need this unit ?--Don't think it would fit in my car trunk..the venues supply the mains & we have 2 small wedge monitors --and I have a Boss 5in > right next to me..more than loud enough ~~even for heavy solos. A little pricy--more than twice my whole drum system! How tall is this unit ? And heaver than my drum pad, probably... Maybe I will give a listen in Big Sur-- __________________ C Jo Go Crystal Studios CRYSTAL STUDIOS Last edited by C JoGo : 03-10-2006 at 04:49 PM.

03-10-2006, 01:39 PM	#10
Drumr Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 209	C Jogo I really can't explain well enough what the Bose could do for you, and maybe you don't need it. But being so close to the gathering, you should really stop in and meet some incredible Bose engineers and devoted musicians who follow their lead. I'm flying in all the way from Illinois! Hope to see you there, please introduce yourself to me, I am very curious about your cool drum pads. P __________________ "buy quality and you only cry once" - C.H. Drums Website

03-10-2006, 05:00 PM	#11
C JoGo Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: CARMEL : CA Posts: 552	The pads are the TRAP KAT--incorporates 24 pads ~ plus Kick & Hat . Fits under your arm to carry to the gig. Fits quickly in the trunk of my car ! 10 of the pads are raised --perfect for cymbals --percussion. I just output 4 channels, from a kurweil > to the FOH . The small powered Boss monitor (5in- ) -is perfect for me. The rest of the band has 2 powered wedge monitors ...With strings you don't need much amplification. One of the main reasons we aquire the gigs --is because we can set-up quickly and play very quite !! But play familar 60-70's music --Cream-LedZep-Jimi-Doors-Motown-I even solo on the Iron Butterfly classic The Bose is probably a top unit !! Just would "get-in" the way on stages- and would not fit in any of the cars we drive --will it bend in half __________________ C Jo Go Crystal Studios CRYSTAL STUDIOS

03-11-2006, 07:03 AM	#13
Drumr Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 209	C Jogo, We are gathering at the Big Sur Lodge. Special rates for Bose-Os. We will also be doing musical things at a hilltop studio about 20 minutes away. Not sure of the name of it, it's where the Big Sur Natives rehearse and put on shows. The pics of it look nice. They are posted here and there in the Bose Forums. About the Trap Kat, is this a new thing or something old? I never heard of it...and I've been around a loooong time. I would really like to meet up with you out there and see this thing in action. PS The Bose would fit in your trunk. It breaks down into small, light pieces. Would only be useful to you if you did not have FOH sound, and did your own. That's how we do it. __________________ "buy quality and you only cry once" - C.H. Drums Website Last edited by Drumr : 03-11-2006 at 09:39 AM.

03-12-2006, 08:26 PM	#20
Mopzilla Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: chinatown Posts: 3,538	I play the real thing for practically everything... but when I go to the drum shop, I take my chops from the real thing and play on the v-drums... and it sounds like im the best drummer in the world! All the kids on the acoustic sets look in awe... Deal is, doubles, triples with one hand are fully triggered on the good v-drums, but are hard to do on rock drums tuned low. So with minimal effort, you can do really cool stuff __________________ It is during difficult times that true friends become apparent.

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