so does it really matter if your guitar is a counterfeit...

[Chuck Carter]

Trying to warn someone else so they won't get scammed by TradeTang is not bad behavior - it is a public service. These forlks are out to get your hard earned money through out and out deceptive advertising that has absolutely nothing to do with what music you play. Evidently reading comprehension is a problem for some folks that misinterpret this message. Enough said here - time to move on.

[MegaTom]

umm...Chuck-fella, Marcellis wasn't talking to or about you. Neither were half of the other posts you have previously responded to.

[BlueStrat]

Well, using the original poster's logic, I guess if Van Gogh would have used nylon fiber brushes instead of sable, his painting would have sucked.

[Roflmao]

Originally Posted by kevinpaul

My Ibanez is a rip off of Gibson.

Ibanez is a ripoff of everything, IMHO. I've never seen a more unoriginal brand. Sure they alter the designs, and their Edges, Low Pro's, and ZR trems are pretty kick ass, but it seems every one of their designs were done after another company did the exact similiar thing with the exception of the Iceman. I can't seem to pinpoint where they stole that idea.

But their still good guitars, no doubt.
But back on-topic, FWIW, James Hettfield played a white chinese made "Gibson" V back when Mustaine was in Metallica and a year or so after he left. He brought it back out of retirement to record and play their latest album.
But he made original music on it, so i'm just saying.

[Chuck Carter]

There is no condoning bad behavior involved - there is a point at which you try to save someone else from making the same mistake I made. Obviously reading comprehension is not your strong point either and you should do well in the food service or lawn care industry.

[drunkinminer]

In most cases the "fake" guitar is made of of shitty wood (like plywood comes to mind) in one example I've seen. Yeah that's what I want a Playwood guitar. I see now reason to own a fake Fender or Gibson or whatever the case may be just like I see no need for a fake Aston Martin.

[stevieb]

I don't want to wade thru 3 pages of post, but has anyone pointed out, here in this thread, that COUNTERFEIT GEAR IS USUALLY INFERIOR, EVEN JUNK?? Further, it is sold as the real deal, whereas even the best tribute band does not present it's self as the real, original performer- the audience knows, up front, that they are getting a copy.

Oh, and OP, a bar performer does NOT have to list every song he plays for ASCAP or BMI composers to benefit from the performance of their material. The rate is based on general stats like hours played, attendance, etc. (Of course, please correct me if I am wrong...)

[Chuck Carter]

Originally Posted by stevieb

I don't want to wade thru 3 pages of post, but has anyone pointed out, here in this thread, that COUNTERFEIT GEAR IS USUALLY INFERIOR, EVEN JUNK?? Further, it is sold as the real deal, whereas even the best tribute band does not present it's self as the real, original performer- the audience knows, up front, that they are getting a copy.

Oh, and OP, a bar performer does NOT have to list every song he plays for ASCAP or BMI composers to benefit from the performance of their material. The rate is based on general stats like hours played, attendance, etc. (Of course, please correct me if I am wrong...)

You are absolutely correct. I have treid to point out that fact but somewhere along the line people got off on this tangent for music. My aim all along was to warn others about counterfeit guitars so they will not get ripped off like I did by bait and switch artists from China. At last, someone who can read - thank you.

[stevieb]

You are quite welcome, Chuck.

[Roflmao]

Originally Posted by stevieb

I don't want to wade thru 3 pages of post, but has anyone pointed out, here in this thread, that COUNTERFEIT GEAR IS USUALLY INFERIOR, EVEN JUNK?? Further, it is sold as the real deal, whereas even the best tribute band does not present it's self as the real, original performer- the audience knows, up front, that they are getting a copy.

I agree completely, but isn't the point of a Tribute band to pay tribute to the original band? Or even to try and seem as cool as the original band? This seems to be the same reason someone buys a $400 copy of a $3000 guitar that they terribly want because it's kick ass looking and that one brand they love. They can't afford the real deal, so they buy a copy to get people to think "oh shit, he has a Gibson" and to help his little ego. That's exactly why James Hettfield kept his Gibson White V counterfeit for so long, and also the reason he didn't care when he deduced Bolt on neck = Fake As Shit.

Converting this to your analogy on cover bands, the audience knows it's not the actual band, but they go anyway. They want to hear some live [band name] god damn it, but not have to fly to [place of origin] or out of state to get it. So, they settle with a cover band. It might be fun, might sound okay, but might sound like shit. Hell they may even leave out some solo's or try to do their own thing. But they go anyway. They can't get the real thing so they settle with a copy.

I do think counterfiet guitars are evil though. And I don't support them. I just think some of the logic used in this thread is dumb as shit. But some got it right. Like Bluestrat, newmaxnew, and Kevin Paul(a bit). Lololol.

[newmaxnew]

I think that since about 85% of the so called original music bands sound terrible and play worse, that they should not be allowed to own quality intruments. If you can't play quality music why even bother to own quality instruments?

Max

[newmaxnew]

Originally Posted by fishbowlfire

Karaoke music is all altered in a slight way and the lyrics in a line or two are altered from the original. Why? Because it creates a loophole so that the karaoke producer doesn't get sued and no ASCAP fees have to be paid to the artist who's music and lyrics were ripped off. Funny that's fine with you...
You're obviously quite the thinker.

Every venue in my area has has Karaoke must pay ASCAP fees. Good Karaoke disks like the sound choice brand are spot on music and lyrics.

Max

[Roflmao]

Originally Posted by newmaxnew

I think that since about 85% of the so called original music bands sound terrible and play worse, that they should not be allowed to own quality intruments. If you can't play quality music why even bother to own quality instruments?

Max

Originally Posted by newmaxnew

Every venue in my area has has Karaoke must pay ASCAP fees. Good Karaoke disks like the sound choice brand are spot on music and lyrics.

Max

Double post is doubled.

You said something similiar on page two, lol.

This thread is pure fail.

[John Watt]

I have some input for you, if you are willing to consider American governmental history.
In pre-electricity times, brothers who owned a distant, western silver mine,
were making copies of silver currency, more of their stuff around than The American Mint.
They were eventually arrested by Washington authorities.
However, they were freed after it was shown that their coins contained a higher silver content,
and were worth more than American Mint output.

I'd rather have a new copy of the Van Gogh I touched, than the faded and cracked one.
Look at all the dark oil paintings inspired by The Vatican's Michaelangelo's Sistine Chapel, and others.
Now, modern restoration has shown Michaelangelo used almost comic book color contrasts.
How's that for original art, art influence and art estimation?
It's insurance companies propping up all that stuff now.

If record companies get royalties, after expenses, they divide them between their top artists,
not going through the complete list.

Roflmao! Ibanez was set up by Fender as their first off-shore manufacturer.
But before Fender started selling those guitars, the deal fell apart,
and Ibanez kept going on their own. I congratulate those local South Korean businessmen.
The first Ibanez Roadstar was considered superior to most Stratocaster manufacturing.

drunkinminer! I'd sooner drive a modified old car with good brakes and a fuel efficient engine,
than an all original unsafe at any speed gas guzzler.

newmaxnew! There was a time, in the 50's and 60's, when Fenders, Gibsons and Rickenbackers
were passed around by bands, rarely owned by home amateurs.
I still surprises me to see some kind of Marshall in almost every home around here.

as always, John Watt