what city/place do you all think a thriving music scene will come out of? - Harmony Central Musician Community Forums

samal50 · 11-01-2009, 02:02 AM

We've had NYC, Sunset Blvd., Seattle, etc. Where do you all think it will come out of? I just moved here in Chicago. I have not followed the music scene or what's going on here at the moment.

sabriel9v · 11-01-2009, 09:59 AM

Go to the Empty Bottle and Double Door, thread demolished.

daddymack · 11-02-2009, 02:26 PM

I have serious doubts that a 'music scene' will matter to any major labels anymore.

sabriel9v · 11-02-2009, 07:38 PM

Ha, who cares what major labels think?

daddymack · 11-02-2009, 08:08 PM

sadly, they are still the only ones in the biz with enough cash and connections to make a real difference...

sabriel9v · 11-02-2009, 09:51 PM

A music scene can still flourish without a major label. It's about building a lifestyle brand, sound, and culture that's unique to that area. Making money has nothing to do with that.

TieDyedDevil · 11-03-2009, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by sabriel9v

A music scene can still flourish without a major label. It's about building a lifestyle brand, sound, and culture that's unique to that area. Making money has nothing to do with that.

I'm kind of curious to see where you want to go with this notion.

Are you saying that a music scene should be composed entirely of hobbyists?

Or that a scene is and should be - by definition - local and immune to the lure of "big money"?

Or ...?

Kramerguy · 11-03-2009, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by sabriel9v

A music scene can still flourish without a major label. It's about building a lifestyle brand, sound, and culture that's unique to that area. Making money has nothing to do with that.

I dunno...

Costs me gas $$ to drive to gigs.

Costs me LOTS of $$ to maintain and replace/buy gear necessary to continue gigging (and especially growing)

Costs $$ to be eating and sleeping "on the road"

Costs $$ to advertise and promote shows.

Costs $$ to have management or a booker get those shows to begin with

meh.. and then we gotta play "for the door"

Desalines · 11-03-2009, 11:59 AM

The new model for music, unfortunately, appears to be Disney. "To thine own self be true.". Oh well....

slight-return · 11-03-2009, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by sabriel9v :
A music scene can still flourish without a major label. It's about building a lifestyle brand, sound, and culture that's unique to that area. Making money has nothing to do with that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TieDyedDevil

I'm kind of curious to see where you want to go with this notion.

Are you saying that a music scene should be composed entirely of hobbyists?

Or that a scene is and should be - by definition - local and immune to the lure of "big money"?

Or ...?

FWIW - I read the statement as negation instead of opposition

Statement - "neckties required"
Negation - "neckties not required"
Opposition - "neckties prohibited"

mmmiddle · 11-03-2009, 04:27 PM

OK to answer the actual question asked, I wager Omaha, Nebraska.

samal50 · 11-04-2009, 09:34 PM

oh well...we do not live in an age where people buy CDs anymore. A simple google could find you plenty of free mp3s of the artist and videos from youtube. We live in an age of freebies and freeloaders. Music is dead.

P.S. Check my other post on the music biz section of HC forum.

Dancebass · 11-05-2009, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mmmiddle

OK to answer the actual question asked, I wager Omaha, Nebraska.

How can something that already happened be "about" to happen? The Omaha scene has been well known for years. The whole Saddle Creek thing already happened. The bands that remain in the area are still really great bands but they're not of the same caliber as the bands that got it started.

mmmiddle · 11-06-2009, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dancebass

How can something that already happened be "about" to happen? The Omaha scene has been well known for years. The whole Saddle Creek thing already happened. The bands that remain in the area are still really great bands but they're not of the same caliber as the bands that got it started.

The Omaha scene has birthed some slightly recognized independent acts BUT to me that is just the beginning. It just means that the studios, labels, and other infrastructure to support a big scene are there. All the components are in place, now there needs to be a band who wants to blow up and take a few other bands with it a la Nirvana and Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains.

daddymack · 11-06-2009, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mmmiddle

The Omaha scene has birthed some slightly recognized independent acts BUT to me that is just the beginning. It just means that the studios, labels, and other infrastructure to support a big scene are there. All the components are in place, now there needs to be a band who wants to blow up and take a few other bands with it a la Nirvana and Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains.

which, in order to do that, requires a major label be involved...

sabriel9v · 11-07-2009, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kramerguy

I dunno...

Costs me gas $$ to drive to gigs.

Costs me LOTS of $$ to maintain and replace/buy gear necessary to continue gigging (and especially growing)

Costs $$ to be eating and sleeping "on the road"

Costs $$ to advertise and promote shows.

Costs $$ to have management or a booker get those shows to begin with

meh.. and then we gotta play "for the door"

That's fine, don't participate in a scene then.

daddymack · 11-07-2009, 09:55 AM

well, in order for there to be a 'scene', you first need enough decent venues, you need an active audience segment with disposable income and adequate free time, and most of all you need an active and varied talent pool. Once a scene gets going, if none of the bands succeed beyond the local level, the scene will eventually die....because the costs (both financial and emotional) of being a musician are high, and if there is no money to be made and no advancement of career to be had, they will move on. Stagnant pools of bands that play the same venues over and over is not a scene.

BrokeDownEngine · 11-07-2009, 10:24 AM

people across the country are seriously underestimating atlanta's garage and punk scenes right now. while it's known for rap, at least right now, people forget that atlanta was home to the allman bros. and blind willie mctell. there are a ton of different rock and blues scenes still thriving here, they're just overshadowed by lil jon and his cronies. right now, some notables are the black lips, king khan and the shrines, the hiss, and poison arrows. please don't disregard atlanta's music before you take in all the facts.

Scafeets · 11-08-2009, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by sabriel9v

Go to the Empty Bottle and Double Door, thread demolished.

Chicago??!!
Stop the presses.

I've heard a lot of great and interesting music all over NC, especially the Chapel Hill and Asheville areas.
Boston has had 40 years to rebuild after the great BossTown hype of 1968-9.
Cleveland always rocks.

BlueStrat · 11-08-2009, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by sabriel9v

That's fine, don't participate in a scene then.

What 'scene' are you referring to? I'm not seeing any.

11-01-2009, 02:02 AM	#1
samal50 Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 135	what city/place do you all think a thriving music scene will come out of? We've had NYC, Sunset Blvd., Seattle, etc. Where do you all think it will come out of? I just moved here in Chicago. I have not followed the music scene or what's going on here at the moment.

11-01-2009, 09:59 AM	#2
sabriel9v Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: A galaxy far, far away Posts: 5,452	Go to the Empty Bottle and Double Door, thread demolished. __________________ Shot From Guns www.shotfromguns.wordpress.com The Artful Dodger - www.soundclick.com/theartfuldodger HJM www.myspace.com/hjmglobal "You couldn't get a clue during the clue mating season in a field full of horny clues if you smeared your body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance."

11-02-2009, 02:26 PM	#3
daddymack Epitome of Moderation Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Here...well, not exactly right here, but nearby anyway... Posts: 30,197	I have serious doubts that a 'music scene' will matter to any major labels anymore. __________________ “It's a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham.” Woody Allen, Bananas, 1971 from Blue Strat:"I checked out those links. The mediocrity is underwhelming."Geezer #37...and proud to...um...yeah, anyway... "If English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for us."

11-02-2009, 07:38 PM	#4
sabriel9v Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: A galaxy far, far away Posts: 5,452	Ha, who cares what major labels think? __________________ Shot From Guns www.shotfromguns.wordpress.com The Artful Dodger - www.soundclick.com/theartfuldodger HJM www.myspace.com/hjmglobal "You couldn't get a clue during the clue mating season in a field full of horny clues if you smeared your body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance."

11-02-2009, 08:08 PM	#5
daddymack Epitome of Moderation Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Here...well, not exactly right here, but nearby anyway... Posts: 30,197	sadly, they are still the only ones in the biz with enough cash and connections to make a real difference... __________________ “It's a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham.” Woody Allen, Bananas, 1971 from Blue Strat:"I checked out those links. The mediocrity is underwhelming."Geezer #37...and proud to...um...yeah, anyway... "If English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for us."

11-02-2009, 09:51 PM	#6
sabriel9v Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: A galaxy far, far away Posts: 5,452	A music scene can still flourish without a major label. It's about building a lifestyle brand, sound, and culture that's unique to that area. Making money has nothing to do with that. __________________ Shot From Guns www.shotfromguns.wordpress.com The Artful Dodger - www.soundclick.com/theartfuldodger HJM www.myspace.com/hjmglobal "You couldn't get a clue during the clue mating season in a field full of horny clues if you smeared your body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance."

11-03-2009, 11:59 AM	#9
Desalines Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: MA. Posts: 768	The new model for music, unfortunately, appears to be Disney. "To thine own self be true.". Oh well.... __________________ "We are all exiles from the past"

11-03-2009, 04:27 PM	#11
mmmiddle Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Seattle Posts: 664	OK to answer the actual question asked, I wager Omaha, Nebraska. __________________ www.miraclemaxmusic.com

11-04-2009, 09:34 PM	#12
samal50 Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 135	oh well...we do not live in an age where people buy CDs anymore. A simple google could find you plenty of free mp3s of the artist and videos from youtube. We live in an age of freebies and freeloaders. Music is dead. P.S. Check my other post on the music biz section of HC forum.

11-07-2009, 09:55 AM	#17
daddymack Epitome of Moderation Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Here...well, not exactly right here, but nearby anyway... Posts: 30,197	well, in order for there to be a 'scene', you first need enough decent venues, you need an active audience segment with disposable income and adequate free time, and most of all you need an active and varied talent pool. Once a scene gets going, if none of the bands succeed beyond the local level, the scene will eventually die....because the costs (both financial and emotional) of being a musician are high, and if there is no money to be made and no advancement of career to be had, they will move on. Stagnant pools of bands that play the same venues over and over is not a scene. __________________ “It's a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham.” Woody Allen, Bananas, 1971 from Blue Strat:"I checked out those links. The mediocrity is underwhelming."Geezer #37...and proud to...um...yeah, anyway... "If English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for us."

11-07-2009, 10:24 AM	#18
BrokeDownEngine Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Athens, GA Posts: 4	Atlanta people across the country are seriously underestimating atlanta's garage and punk scenes right now. while it's known for rap, at least right now, people forget that atlanta was home to the allman bros. and blind willie mctell. there are a ton of different rock and blues scenes still thriving here, they're just overshadowed by lil jon and his cronies. right now, some notables are the black lips, king khan and the shrines, the hiss, and poison arrows. please don't disregard atlanta's music before you take in all the facts.

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