Pioneer CDJ1000's

[chris_chrys]

CD turntables, does anyone have them or know of anyone who has them - what are they actually like after experiencing them - i've seen footage of them being used and they look the ballax! I'm thinking of getting one to go along with my 1210's so as I can do requests and scratch them in(joke), maybe.

[djsynrgy]

I got to try some out in a local music shop, and they can do pretty much everything they claim to do, but, whether better or worse, it still isn't and never will be the same as vinyl. If you really do wanna use CDs as part of your set (which is alot easier then getting dub plates printed if you're into production) then I think they're the only way to go, but I'm still weirded out by the idea of people using strictly cds as their medium.

[chris_chrys]

Why, what is it that you don't like about CDs? To me it's all music and it doesn't really matter what format it comes in - just as long as it keeps pushing the creative aspect of music! I used to be a vinyl head but that's only because you couldn't scratch CDs and they didn't have the personal touch but now with the CDJ1000 it all seems possible so fuck it - CD's it is! Where's me wallet?

[djsynrgy]

I like CDs just fine. You're misunderstanding me I think. I don't mind adding cd decks to a set up by any means. I just don't like the idea of a strictly cd set up. It's just a personal preference. I'm not saying it's WRONG, I'm just saying that in my opinion, it's lame.

My real problem is, what's to stop legions of kids from downloading thousands of free mp3 vinyl rips and mixing them? Absolutely nothing, save maybe a clear concience, but the average aspiring mixer to be probably won't have that. (that's just the lifestyle, you know how it is.) I'm all for MP3 technology, I'm not one of those "It's going to kill the industry" kind of people at all, but you know just as well as I do that a great number of people are going to say "hey, why spend $10 on a record when I can get a stack of CD-Rs for $10 and burn 70 records and mix those?" THAT'S what I have a problem with, not because I think it will hurt the industry, but because it's going to put a massive beating on the very little amount of respect that DJs get as is. (you took part in the djs as musicians thread, you know what I'm talking about.) And yes, you can SORT OF scratch with a CDJ-1000, but you STILL won't be able to do anything comparable to what a turntablist does with vinyl. Just enough to do basic scratches and cueing. (which are basically the same thing.)

Plus, you can manipulate a record with your fingers. You can't get what I consider to be a 'personal' touch with CDs. Manipulating a jog wheel might come REAL close, but it's still not the same, no matter how fancy the deck is.

Finally, and I've said this in some other threads before, for the electronic music medium, and for that matter several other musical mediums, analog just plain sounds better. It's got a better frequency range, and has a lot more warmth to it. Digital sounds cold and processed. I'm speaking of pushing music through giant house systems, not just a factory car stereo.

And again, these are just my opinions. If there's somebody out there that can put on as good a show with CD decks as all our heroes do with vinyl, then props to them, so long as they're using legal CDs, but so far it hasn't been done. At least not on a grand scale.

[bigsplendor]

Originally posted by djsynrgy:
I like CDs just fine. You're misunderstanding me I think. I don't mind adding cd decks to a set up by any means. I just don't like the idea of a strictly cd set up. It's just a personal preference. I'm not saying it's WRONG, I'm just saying that in my opinion, it's lame.

My real problem is, what's to stop legions of kids from downloading thousands of free mp3 vinyl rips and mixing them? Absolutely nothing, save maybe a clear concience, but the average aspiring mixer to be probably won't have that. (that's just the lifestyle, you know how it is.) I'm all for MP3 technology, I'm not one of those "It's going to kill the industry" kind of people at all, but you know just as well as I do that a great number of people are going to say "hey, why spend $10 on a record when I can get a stack of CD-Rs for $10 and burn 70 records and mix those?" THAT'S what I have a problem with, not because I think it will hurt the industry, but because it's going to put a massive beating on the very little amount of respect that DJs get as is. (you took part in the djs as musicians thread, you know what I'm talking about.) And yes, you can SORT OF scratch with a CDJ-1000, but you STILL won't be able to do anything comparable to what a turntablist does with vinyl. Just enough to do basic scratches and cueing. (which are basically the same thing.)

Plus, you can manipulate a record with your fingers. You can't get what I consider to be a 'personal' touch with CDs. Manipulating a jog wheel might come REAL close, but it's still not the same, no matter how fancy the deck is.

Finally, and I've said this in some other threads before, for the electronic music medium, and for that matter several other musical mediums, analog just plain sounds better. It's got a better frequency range, and has a lot more warmth to it. Digital sounds cold and processed. I'm speaking of pushing music through giant house systems, not just a factory car stereo.

And again, these are just my opinions. If there's somebody out there that can put on as good a show with CD decks as all our heroes do with vinyl, then props to them, so long as they're using legal CDs, but so far it hasn't been done. At least not on a grand scale.

Exactly. Also any audiophile will tell you that vinyl produces a better sound anyway. Just because of the fact that vinyl creates an actual sound wave, while CD's simply try to digitaly recreate that sound wave.

[goodear]

I thought they were the "Dog's Ballox" mate! that is untill i got my hands on final scratch....

http://www.stantonmagnetics.com/final_scratch/start.asp

digital yes, but doesn't take any of the skill out of djing. the pioneer has bpm counter and master tempo which are total "cheats" for most vinyl dj's. Final scratch is just like playing records, well you actually are playing records. just time coded ones.