No more China Fake LP's?

[GTRMAN]

From what I've heard, all the websites that were used to pawn those Fake Chinese LP's have been shut down..

[Frets99]

Finally!!

Somebody listened to me... :o

[catalinagoose]

This place unfortunately still has them, along with other counterfeit products:
http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/bobostarxd/product-list/catalog-1.html

[yollyp]

Sounds like if it's from China, it's fake. This should not be the case. There are some who are legitimate manufacturers and are religiously doing their job without "stepping on other's toe".

[Collie Ransom]

Well you heard wrong. There are still plenty of them, you just have to look harder. They are never going away. Just like the fake Rolex sites . They have been around for 10 years now.

[daddymack]

This place unfortunately still has them, along with other counterfeit products:
http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/bobostarxd/product-list/catalog-1.html
I'm sure Gibson will catch up with these guys eventually, but sad to say, they are selling a "Gibson Les Pual Custom" ...if they left Gibson off, and didn't have the word Gibson on the case displayed in some of the pics, they could get away with this...:eek:

[larryguitar]

Sounds like if it's from China, it's fake. This should not be the case. There are some who are legitimate manufacturers and are religiously doing their job without "stepping on other's toe".

But China seems tremendously bad (or disinterested) in protecting intellectual property rights. :(

[myredshoes]

I remember a customer bringing a Chinese Stratocaster copy into the shop last year.
It was a light robin's egg blue, all body edges a bit too sharp, nice but silver "Fender" decal, "Made In USA" decal, just a very lovely and new and off-looking thing and very lightweight. Maple fretboard and bad fret job, vintage style tuners with cheapy-shiney chrome. Could have carved my name in the white white neck with my thumbnail.
A very very fakey looking guitar unless you had never actually touched a Stratocaster or some other real guitar before.

BUT
Looking at it, I couldn't help but think that eventually they would be stopped, and once they were unavailable, they would become collectable artifacts.

Think about it.

People are crazy for collecting anything Gibson or Fender.
You can get all manner of scale model replica Stratocasters. I mean, WTF are those for?
You can get licensed and unlicensed Fender shirts and ties and belts and buckles and underwear probably, certainly headstock coffee tables...

So why wouldn't people want to collect a limited-edition counterfeit? Not a copy, but a straight-up counterfeit with a "Custom Contoured" decal?

I think they would and I think they will. ;)

[prsisbest]

I remember a customer bringing a Chinese Stratocaster copy into the shop last year.
It was a light robin's egg blue, all body edges a bit too sharp, nice but silver "Fender" decal, "Made In USA" decal, just a very lovely and new and off-looking thing and very lightweight. Maple fretboard and bad fret job, vintage style tuners with cheapy-shiney chrome. Could have carved my name in the white white neck with my thumbnail.
A very very fakey looking guitar unless you had never actually touched a Stratocaster or some other real guitar before.

BUT
Looking at it, I couldn't help but think that eventually they would be stopped, and once they were unavailable, they would become collectable artifacts.

Think about it.

People are crazy for collecting anything Gibson or Fender.
You can get all manner of scale model replica Stratocasters. I mean, WTF are those for?
You can get licensed and unlicensed Fender shirts and ties and belts and buckles and underwear probably, certainly headstock coffee tables...

So why wouldn't people want to collect a limited-edition counterfeit? Not a copy, but a straight-up counterfeit with a "Custom Contoured" decal?

I think they would and I think they will. ;)



You're probably right, they would.

[ermghoti II]

I remember a customer bringing a Chinese Stratocaster copy into the shop last year.
It was a light robin's egg blue, all body edges a bit too sharp, nice but silver "Fender" decal, "Made In USA" decal, just a very lovely and new and off-looking thing and very lightweight. Maple fretboard and bad fret job, vintage style tuners with cheapy-shiney chrome. Could have carved my name in the white white neck with my thumbnail.
A very very fakey looking guitar unless you had never actually touched a Stratocaster or some other real guitar before.

BUT
Looking at it, I couldn't help but think that eventually they would be stopped, and once they were unavailable, they would become collectable artifacts.

Think about it.

People are crazy for collecting anything Gibson or Fender.
You can get all manner of scale model replica Stratocasters. I mean, WTF are those for?
You can get licensed and unlicensed Fender shirts and ties and belts and buckles and underwear probably, certainly headstock coffee tables...

So why wouldn't people want to collect a limited-edition counterfeit? Not a copy, but a straight-up counterfeit with a "Custom Contoured" decal?

I think they would and I think they will. ;)

Eh maybe. If the next heroin addict out of Seattle uses one, they'll be worth $1500 after he dies, for that specific one or something.

[cavpilot]

Well you heard wrong. There are still plenty of them, you just have to look harder. They are never going away. Just like the fake Rolex sites . They have been around for 10 years now.

I've talked with Vietnam vets who said they bought fake Rolexes in Vietnam in the late 60's/early 70's, and I bought a really horrible one as a gag gift for my brother in the mid 80's...so they've been around for quite some time.

[noizemakr73]

I saw a fake chinese "Gibson" les paul custom at a pawn shop the other day, they had it tagged as a "chinese replica" and wanted $800.00 for it, what a joke.

[ChineseKnockoff]

I've talked with Vietnam vets who said they bought fake Rolexes in Vietnam in the late 60's/early 70's, and I bought a really horrible one as a gag gift for my brother in the mid 80's...so they've been around for quite some time.

There are also quite a few counterfeit Fenders that were brought back from VN during the war. And they're actually pretty good guitars- but still, counterfeits. In fact, there are some really top-notch luthiers in Asia and you can buy a hell of a player over there for not much money if you can find one of the real artisans. Unfortunately, those guys are not the people hired to work in the counterfeit factories.

And sadly, you've been misinformed about all of the Chinese sites being shut down. If one disappears today it'll back up w/ a new name and a new URL tomorrow. While the web sites may change, at the factory it's business as usual, and will continue to be so for quite while yet.

On the up side, more of the counterfeiters are starting to revert to labeling their products w/ alternate spellings on the headstocks, so in some ways they are getting easier to spot.

[ChineseKnockoff]

I saw a fake chinese "Gibson" les paul custom at a pawn shop the other day, they had it tagged as a "chinese replica" and wanted $800.00 for it, what a joke.

Yeah, the days of finding a dusty treasure for pocket change at a pawn shop have been over for a few years now. They're all scouring eBay and pricing their stuff in line with what they see there.

[jb007]

So. I have a question.

Obviously, they are being sold/bought under false pretenses, but if I knew they were fakes but wanted a Gibson, what is the quality of these guitars?.

[rabatt]

So. I have a question.

Obviously, they are being sold/bought under false pretenses, but if I knew they were fakes but wanted a Gibson, what is the quality of these guitars?.

i dont have any experience with them but i'm guessing that even if some of them were good it would be abit of a hit n miss as to what you got, i'd stick with the real thing...

[Screaming Stone]

Still selling Chinese made fake Gibson on tradetang.com (http://http://www.tradetang.com/for-sale/Gibson-les-paul-custom-Black-Beauty-Electric-Guitar-2-Pickups-Shipping-just-100USD/100526-198226.html)

sad.

[bugly]

Eastern cultures do not place as high a value on intellectual property as they do on production,

I was speaking to another middle aged guy who returned from a holiday in China, while waiting for my guitar lesson. He is a keen golfer and was interested in buying some golf clubs on the cheap.
:poke:
He asked around and eventually was put touch with some characters who took him and his mate in a taxi on a long trip. Apparently they were getting quite worried as they were driven through some rough looking areas. Eventually they arrive at a factory where they made (I think he said Callaway) the clubs, were taken into an office and measured up for the clubs. Next day they were delivered to the hotel. It seems that they are requested to build a number of units for the club rebadger, then they churn out at least double that number which are sold off on the black market. They are not fake clubs they are identical clubs with real stickers just not licensed.

(BTW same thing happens with bike frames and lots of other items, cant swear that it happens with guitars but it sounds likely and that would mean that a chinese epiphone copy has a good chance of being made in the same factory and from the same parts as the epiphone original. Now it must be very tempting to 'upgrade' the epiclone to a gibson clone with some minor work like changng the truss rod cover and decal.


Is it wrong ? to me yes but not to others.

[ToneSlinger]

I'm sure Gibson will catch up with these guys eventually, but sad to say, they are selling a "Gibson Les Pual Custom" ...if they left Gibson off, and didn't have the word Gibson on the case displayed in some of the pics, they could get away with this...:eek:

If you notice in the pics, they are very careful not to show the headstock and the logo is somewhat unclear and out of focus in the pictures.

[bfglp]

Eh maybe. If the next heroin addict out of Seattle uses one, they'll be worth $1500 after he dies, for that specific one or something.

some guys have all the luck;)