Easiest Way To Buy A Counterfeit Gibson

[larryguitar]

Use the HC 'for sale' forum!
Counterfeit Gibson Listed on HC (http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2198327)

:facepalm:

[amplayer]

Since the guy is clearly stating that the guitar is a copy and not a real Gibson, I don't see that it is worth getting ants in the pants over it.
I doubt if Gibson is losing any sales over copies that are being marketed honestly as clones and not the real thing.
Plus, I really don't see why HC should have to be the police and try to keep these things out of the classifieds. That's ridiculous.
Yes, I know it is still illegal...
:cop:

[ermghoti II]

Supporting counterfeit salse would expose HC to legal action. They'll kill it.

[rparchen]

Supporting counterfeit salse would expose HC to legal action. They'll kill it.

The guitar sold so it doesn't seem they killed it...

[ermghoti II]

It sold off the forum... anyway, report the threads when you see them.

[gtrjones]

another one, reported yesterday, still there today...

http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2216752

[cavpilot]

Since the guy is clearly stating that the guitar is a copy and not a real Gibson, I don't see that it is worth getting ants in the pants over it.
I doubt if Gibson is losing any sales over copies that are being marketed honestly as clones and not the real thing.
Plus, I really don't see why HC should have to be the police and try to keep these things out of the classifieds. That's ridiculous.
Yes, I know it is still illegal...
:cop:

You act like "Gibson" is some abstract entity. It's a group of Americans who build guitars FOR A LIVING.

Each counterfeit that has their name on it is something they had no control over the construction of, nor derived any benefit from, yet is something that effects their reputation.

When douchebag fake Gibson owner plays it, does he tell everyone who sees it "it's a fake!"? Hell no. He tries to pass it off as the real thing...otherwise why have Gibson's name on it? So when it sounds like shit, who's reputation takes a hit? The counterfeiter? no, GIBSON.

Do legitimate companies manufacture and import counterfeit Gibsons? No criminal enterprises do. The same criminals who make fake Gibsons have no moral or ethical problems with making counterfeit phones, baby formula, batteries, electronic components, medicine (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/090127103310.htm), you name it.

So if you still don't comprehend the ramifications of sending your money to criminals in order to deceive the people who see you with your counterfeit Gibson......:facepalm:

[mclmk8d]

Pilot,
Well said and I agree with you 100%. Every fake Gibson (and I've even seen fake Epis!) takes away form the company's reputation. Sure, some of their guitars are overpriced, but it's a company with deep roots and a fantastic history.

You act like "Gibson" is some abstract entity. It's a group of Americans who build guitars FOR A LIVING.

Each counterfeit that has their name on it is something they had no control over the construction of, nor derived any benefit from, yet is something that effects their reputation.

When douchebag fake Gibson owner plays it, does he tell everyone who sees it "it's a fake!"? Hell no. He tries to pass it off as the real thing...otherwise why have Gibson's name on it? So when it sounds like shit, who's reputation takes a hit? The counterfeiter? no, GIBSON.

Do legitimate companies manufacture and import counterfeit Gibsons? No criminal enterprises do. The same criminals who make fake Gibsons have no moral or ethical problems with making counterfeit phones, baby formula, batteries, electronic components, medicine (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/090127103310.htm), you name it.

So if you still don't comprehend the ramifications of sending your money to criminals in order to deceive the people who see you with your counterfeit Gibson......:facepalm:

[drewl]

I don't know....some of those "GibsUns" look pretty damn good. and for $300?
shipped?

I bought this Gibson Baldwin student guitar for $75 at a friends store so I can leave my real 64 and 65 at home.
If the Chinese ones are as good as this they're a hell of a bargain.
It's probably some kind of cheap wood, no grain to it but it sounds really good, plays fantastic, stays in tune and has the correct headstock.
Probably made in asia. The fakes look much better, the necks wood looks very similiar.




http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v360/drewl1/100_2204.jpg

[bridge324]

Pottering around the market in Melton Mobray (UK) last tuesday and came across a stall selling odds and sods. Just about to pass it by when I noticed a guitar case with Gibson on it. "Any chance of a real Gibson being in their?", I asked and the guy opened it up and there was a sparkling gold top, or was it? He had checked the serial number on the back of the headstock which identified it as being made in the USA in 1996. He was asking £500 ($1600) for it, not the kind of money I normally carry around with me but I did give it a good looking at. The weight was OK and the balance. The overall finish initially looked great but on closer inspection I formed the opinion that this was a wrong un. The rosewood fingerboard had too many imperfection in it, could have made it past QC but I doubt it. The paint job missed a few spots on the guitar, especially around the neck/body joint. The nut was roughly filed and still had some scrap plastic attached. The frets were totally unmarked, the guitar had not been played. The pick ups and fingerboard still had the clear pastic film protectin them. The neck was straight and in at the octive and although I couldn't amp it up, it seemed to play allright. Finally the Gibson logo on the case was smudged, something the factory would not have let slip through. I know there are urban legends regarding guitars being put away, lost then found and as good as the day they had been made. Would have loved this to be one of these rare cases, but at £500, the punt was a bit too high.
B324

[cuffdc]

He was asking £500 ($1600) for it,

Did I miss something? Unless there was a recent spike, the USD would be about $750, not $1600.

[David E H]

I definitely think buying a new "fake" Gibson is a definitely wrong, and something that should be avoided. However, this was a used sale from one forum member(potentially) to another. The fact is that in this case, Gibson doesn't make money in used sales anyways.

[larryguitar]

I definitely think buying a new "fake" Gibson is a definitely wrong, and something that should be avoided. However, this was a used sale from one forum member(potentially) to another. The fact is that in this case, Gibson doesn't make money in used sales anyways.

So buying a stolen car, as long as you bought it second hand, wouldn't be an issue for you? Knowing that someone was cheated initially, but not in your transaction?

[frankpaush]

So buying a stolen car, as long as you bought it second hand, wouldn't be an issue for you? Knowing that someone was cheated initially, but not in your transaction?

If you buy a Toyota with an Emily on it, do you think Rolls Royce will be harmed? Does it mean you have stolen from RR? No. Definitely not.
Private sales of faked instruments which are correctly named as fakes are not "steeling" and not a follow up act of steeling. It is more like selling a book with the wrong author on its cover.

[larryguitar]

If you buy a Toyota with an Emily on it, do you think Rolls Royce will be harmed? Does it mean you have stolen from RR? No. Definitely not.
Private sales of faked instruments which are correctly named as fakes are not "steeling" and not a follow up act of steeling. It is more like selling a book with the wrong author on its cover.

Well, I'm sure you're correct in a metallurgical sense. You are, however, incorrect in both point of law and general ethics on the guitar part. :)

Of course, stating an opinion very forcefully and as a fact makes you right.

[ermghoti II]

If you buy a Toyota with an Emily on it, do you think Rolls Royce will be harmed?

Wrong. Everyone who sees this car, and notes its mundane quality, appearance and performance will have a diminished view of Rolls Royce, injuring a reputation they have spent generations building.

Does it mean you have stolen from RR? No. Definitely not.

Wrong. You are stealing the prestige of Rolls Royce ownership. That prestige is based on Rolls' hard-won reputation, and people are willing to pay dearly for it. That prestige has a real-world, dollar amount attached to it, counterfeiting steals that value.


Private sales of faked instruments which are correctly named as fakes are not "steeling" and not a follow up act of steeling. It is more like selling a book with the wrong author on its cover.


Wrong, and wrong again, unless by "selling a book with a different author on the cover," you mean plagiarism or identity theft. I could sell a lot more copies of my upcoming book "Pwning Rationalizing Mongoloids on teh Intarwebz for Fun and Profit" if I print "by Oprah Winfrey" at the bottom of the cover than if I print Ermghoti there, right? By your logic, that's fine, isn't it?