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Anderton
09-17-2008, 11:27 AM
It's happening to too many people. They save up for some great guitar, then are "lucky" enough to see a great price on exactly what they want on the net. So they spend their hard-earned cash, only to find that their guitar doesn't quite feel like what they tried at their friend's house or at a music store. And then a couple months later, cracks appear in the finish, and the tuning pegs start to "grab"...

Counterfeit guitars (and other instruments) are becoming more and more common. While we're certainly in favor of musicians getting the best deals they can, counterfeit instruments almost invariably lack the quality of what they're imitating, and the "low price" is much higher than the instrument's actual value—which is more on a par with a budget "beginner's guitar."

Of course, some musicians don't realize they've been scammed - until they need to repair an instrument, or try to resell it. And companies have a real problem with counterfeits, but interestingly, it's not always about lost income; after all, there are plenty of legitimate, low-priced guitars that play very well and provide honest competition. Rather, it's concern about the company's reputation. What if you buy what you think is a gorgeous guitar, and six months later, the neck is warped? If you don't know it's a counterfeit, you're going to blame the company; and due to the power of the internet, putting those thoughts online can affect a company's reputation in a way that's almost impossible to undo.

We owe our success to the Harmony Central community, and want to do what we can to make sure you're not victimized by counterfeit scams. So, this forum is dedicated to helping people identify whether what they're buying is legit or not. For example, one musician was able to identify a counterfeit Les Paul that "didn't feel right" because it had three truss rod cover screws instead of two. This eventually led to the arrest (on two felony counts) of a North Carolina man who'd acquired the guitar from a Chinese web site and resold it.

These days, it's not difficult to make a guitar that looks legit, but whose flaws become apparent only after a period of time—at which point the seller has moved on. "Counterfeit Info Central" is intended to provide information that helps the HC community make sure they're buying the real thing, and well as provide tips on how to identify counterfeit goods. We want you to spend your time being musicians - not victims of scams.

pacAir
09-17-2008, 02:25 PM
Is there anyplace we can report links to these counterfeiters with any expectations that they will be looked into by someone who cares?

I have a few links I have stumbled into looking for information on my own guitars and finding overseas companies making copies that look extremely good in the photos and offering to sell them for 1/4 to 1/10 the price of the real ones.

I would not want post anything blind in public as that amounts to free advertising for these guys (even though they can be found via Google without a lot of effort).

pacAir

Anderton
09-17-2008, 05:43 PM
Is there anyplace we can report links to these counterfeiters with any expectations that they will be looked into by someone who cares?

Excellent question.

First, notify the manufacturer as they probably have a team already in place to deal with these things. Second, there's the Internet Crime Complaint Center at http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx if you want to file a complaint.

D Carroll
09-21-2008, 03:03 AM
I will say that I reported one to Gibson, and they sent me a free shirt.

nice keetee
10-10-2008, 08:54 PM
Stinks that fakes are out there so much!

gtrjones
10-12-2008, 02:19 PM
Does Harmony-Central have a policy about selling/trading fakes in it's emporium?

Aren't there potential legal issues for H-C if it's helping people sell these guitars?

headless
10-12-2008, 02:57 PM
Perhaps the name of this forum should be changed to eliminate the word, "Counterfeit". It seems to have attracted a lot of Spamers.

Fireproof777
01-04-2009, 09:16 AM
What a great forum!

Pipoi
04-22-2009, 07:57 AM
I bought my guitar just at the sidewalk and it's good.
I want original but my cousin told me i must learn first. :D

drewl
04-22-2009, 11:16 AM
It was bound to happen.
We import just about everything from China, now that the big name mfg's have plants there making their low end instruments, so it's not much of a stretch to think a country that exports deadly tainted products would start copying the higher end line of the same stuff they already make for more profit.

bubbajazz
07-31-2009, 10:22 PM
Craig - are you open to using this forum also as a place to use/discuss theft problems? It might be a good place to be able to share info on stolen gear, and prevent others from inadvertently buying stolen merchandise.

If not - is it possible to set up an alternate place in the forumsto at least share this information?