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Bryan316
09-17-2008, 09:22 AM
ToneGrail's thread inspired me to type up a comparison I did a few months ago of four vocal microphones I demoed, after being disgusted with venues and their piss-poor beat-to-crap stage mics. This review is for those of you using a Shure SM58, like every club ever, as your live mic, and still aren't satisfied with your sound. There's a good reason why you might not like the sound of your own voice at a gig, especially after doing studio work and hearing your voice coming through clear as a bell. Because the SM58 is a naturally muddy, low-mid bumped mic. It will have drastic effects on your voice compared to a quality microphone. Problem is, it's the "industry standard". Meaning, NOBODY'S BOTHERED TO TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

It's a peeve of mine when I hear sound guys saying, "Well I won't use any other mic, my monitors are EQ'd for these mics, that's what everybody's been using for years so it must be good enough..." Yeah. Good enough. Not GREAT.

I know it's not exactly common practice to go buy fancypants mics on a whim. Nor is it really common for singers to go try out mics at stores, cuz most stores won't even bother letting you try them. And don't even DARE try to return a mic after trying it out and hating it! But I have a friend at a local store who grabbed four mics out and showed me the differences as I sang, and once you actually hear yourself through a quality live-performance microphone, it's like a revelation. Like guitarists searching for their Holy Grail of tone.

We tested out these mics through Mackie SA1530Z's with the same mixer channel, same cable, and same room position. The mixer was set flat, so just about as straight-shot as you can get.

1. Shure SM58. As you'd expect it to sound. Everyone knows how this mic sounds and it hasn't changed in decades. And, most likely never will.

2. AKG D-790. The mic I use every show. It's AKG's version of the SM58 with the same frequency response. It's a hotter signal, with far better signal-to-noise ratio. If I got the SM58 turned up to be as loud as this mic, you'd hear tons of hiss and feedback like crazy.

3. Shure Beta 87A. Condenser mic, so it needs phantom power. Noticable difference, right off the start. No proximity bass effect, but definitely a lot of handling noise. If you're putting it into a mic stand, it'll be noisy. Already can tell why people say the SM58 is muddy, because my voice cleared up and sounded defined and projected. I had my friend turn up some music and I just talked, and you could understand what I was saying. My guitarist looked at me with disgust, as if to say, "all these years we listen to the audio of camcorders or live board recordings or our open-air mic recordings, and this is why we can't understand a word you say?" It's a difference that you have to hear in person, and have a bandmate hear as well. But not every music store would bother to bust out these mics for you just to test like this.

4. ElectroVoice RE410. This is IT. I gave this mic a full-out test drive, burning a whole tank of gas. Or should I say, G.A.S. ??? Everything the Beta 87A has, and better. Another condenser mic that needs phantom power. EXCELLENT handling response! I was slamming the mic into the stand, and it was tolerable! No bass proximity effect. Excellent response even from 12 inches away. Not a lot of volume dropoff from touching to 12 inches away. I gave it death metal growls full blast, no distortion no clipping and no artifacts. I gave it Bruce Dickinson screams and Geoff Tate banshee wails. I gave it full shouts. I gave it gentle whispers. This mic can handle everything I'd ever throw at it, with no mud, no distortion, and no woofing out. I even went through all four mics again, still cannot believe how this RE410 behaves and handles. Oh, and it rejects feedback like crazy! I was pointing it at the Mackies from 15 feet away, something that an SM58 would howl relentlessly at. Then I had it up about 3 feet away! Still nothing! Absolutely shocked me. It took a hell of an effort, and finally sticking it right at the tweeter made it squawk back.

Best part, the Beta 87A is a $250 mic, but this RE410 is only $200 and can be had cheaper if you have a good connection! My guy will give it to me for $180 out-de-do' when I'm ready. I told him, when I destroy my D-790 or just get brave, that RE410 is the first mic I'll go to. And I'll even buy a dedicated phantom power box just to make sure I'll be able to use it in even the crappiest venue.


I think this is the best bang for the buck for a vocalist. Especially if you're sick of Shure and want to know you're using better-than-standard gear. Cuz standards are just that.

Remember, this is my opinion. So take it for what it's worth. I don't expect you to believe me. But I DO expect you to give it a comparison the next time you go to your local music store and see one in the display case. And if the sales guy is being stingy, just tell em, "Do you really expect anyone to buy a higher end mic if you won't let them hear it?" Cuz that's what demos are for.

Don't forget... there are great Sennheiser's and AKG'sout there as well. I just can't give you a comparison... yet. When I get a free weekend again, I'll camp out at his store and do the same thing again, with my guitarist taking detailed notes of our thoughts.

Because I'm sick and tired of Shure and their outrageous price tags! Seriously folks... at this point in their history, you're paying for a name. Nothing more. An SM58 is $99 no matter where you go. But my D790 for $120 was initially a worthy investment to know I get a better mic. Now I want even better!

JacieFB
09-17-2008, 10:43 AM
Out of curiosity, how would you stack the Beta 58 against the rest?

Prages
09-17-2008, 10:48 AM
I've sang through a bunch of different mics, and I've never found fault with an SM58. :idk:

Sure, there are better sounding mics out there, but I've never found a situation where an SM58 wasn't satisfactory.

As for paying $100 for one, I've got no problem with that either. I mean, I paid $100 each for two SM58s in 1994 and I still use them at every gig. I'm fairly confident that I'll still be able to use them in 2014. $100 doesn't seem like much to pay when you are getting a product that's gonna last 20 years or more.

Bryan316
09-17-2008, 12:36 PM
I'll give the Beta 58 a test drive as well.


And I don't want to sound satisfactory. I want to sound like the rest of my band. EXCELLENT. But hey, low standards are still standards, I guess...

ToneGrail
09-17-2008, 12:41 PM
Thanks for the reviews Bryan. I'll have to check out the EV410. My only concern is that not all places I play have phantom power readily available.

Somebody should sticky this thread.

MoT-2
09-17-2008, 01:03 PM
I gotta say I prefer the Sennheiser 835 to the Sm-58. Seems to suit my vocal a bit better - I find the 58 just a tad too bright (again - this could be just with my vocal). The SH is much more balanced and easier to sing with imho...

Prages
09-17-2008, 01:10 PM
I'll give the Beta 58 a test drive as well.


And I don't want to sound satisfactory. I want to sound like the rest of my band. EXCELLENT. But hey, low standards are still standards, I guess...

So I have low standards because I find the SM58 to be a viable vocal mic? Hey, I admit there are better sounding mics out there. However, if an SM58 is the weakest link in your band's sound system, then you're doing better than 99.9% of the rest of us.

I also know that certain mics just don't work for certain voices. Maybe I'm lucky in that my voice sounds good through a 58. I've certainly met many people who no matter what mic they sing through, they sound muddy and get buried in the mix. I've never had that problem.

Bryan316
09-17-2008, 01:45 PM
Thanks for the reviews Bryan. I'll have to check out the EV410. My only concern is that not all places I play have phantom power readily available.

Somebody should sticky this thread.


You'll want a good phantom power supplier, like the Sterling Audio PHP1 48V. That's around $35 or $40 depending where you look, and the Rolls PB23 Phantom Power Adapter is a very nice unit. Of course, Behringer makes one as well, the Micropower PS400 for only 20 bucks.

I've also been bugging EV with emails every once in a while, asking for a dedicated wireless version of this mic. It would be downright miraculous to mate this mic with the X2 digital wireless system in one package!

mark7171
09-17-2008, 02:34 PM
do you use a vocal preamp?

what about the 577 i use on my CB

http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/tn/3/7/0/244370.jpg

Bryan316
09-18-2008, 07:03 AM
???

What IS that???

BigMac5
09-18-2008, 08:04 AM
I'll give the Beta 58 a test drive as well.


And I don't want to sound satisfactory. I want to sound like the rest of my band. EXCELLENT. But hey, low standards are still standards, I guess...
Add a Beta 57A to that list. I switched from a Beta 87A's to Beta 57A's in my system. We all liked the B57A better.

isaac42
09-18-2008, 08:24 AM
I'll give the Beta 58 a test drive as well.


And I don't want to sound satisfactory. I want to sound like the rest of my band. EXCELLENT. But hey, low standards are still standards, I guess...

And backhanded compliments are still compliments, of a sort.

Bobby D
09-20-2008, 05:19 PM
Add a Beta 57A to that list. I switched from a Beta 87A's to Beta 57A's in my system. We all liked the B57A better.

yeah, I have a beta 57 and love it. I lust for an 87 though...wonder how it would sound with my voice?

stunningbabe
10-08-2008, 10:00 AM
I tried a Mic for a show ( I didnt even look at the mic in detail) and it sounded dull, boring, lifeless, and down right sucks. Wait...could it be a Sm58? I looked at it and...yes! It IS the stupid SM58 on the mic stand!

SM58- The most over rated Mic ever. You'd be better off without it.

dcooper830
10-08-2008, 01:38 PM
I have these vocal mics in my collection:

Shure SM57
Shure Beta 58a
EV N/D767a
Sennheiser e835
Sennheiser e945
Audio Technica PR99 (cheap but very good).

Out of all these I think the Beta 58 and the EV N/D767a sound the best, but they're all great and can be made to sound nearly identical when EQd.

The EV N/D767a has an amazing midrange clarity the that makes the Sennheisers sound a tad muddy in comparison. Lyrics and speaking are far more intelligible. It also has extended high frequency response (22khz), so it's really an incredible sounding mic. I may buy a couple more if I ever get the chance.

But I've gigged with them all and gotten great results with all of them.

I've sang through SM58s for years also and there's nothing wrong with them IMO.

Mogwix
10-08-2008, 04:42 PM
If you can't get an SM58 to sound good, something's wrong and it's not the mic.

WowieZowie
10-08-2008, 09:41 PM
I own a beta 58. I thought that it was the greatest. I few years back, I listened to a friend and shelled out what to me was a lot of money for a mic. It was an Audix OM7. Well, I never really got to use the thing. I was spending money at this stupid college, and music was not as important :facepalm:

Anyway, when I went to use the Audix, I was pretty pissed off. It sounded like crap compared to my 58.

Then one day I read this article about how you are supposed to get right up on this mic. How it does not feedback, and has this really warm clean sound. But, you really need a nice PA to get the most out of it. So, I bought the PA, and now, I am in high cotten. This mic is sooo nice. I have used a Neuman also, and that was a very nice condenser mic. Costs a bit. But it was nice. I like my Audix for the warmth, and the fact that I can crank that channel. It is rather funny. All the other mics I have to keep the sliders down. Not mine. Yippy. I am the great and powerful OZ with that baby.:thu:

stunningbabe
10-08-2008, 10:18 PM
If you can't get an SM58 to sound good, something's wrong and it's not the mic.

If you can get a 58 to sound good, that means you are the best soundman in the world.

WowieZowie
10-09-2008, 12:04 AM
If you can get a 58 to sound good, that means you are the best soundman in the world.

Does anybody else think that they (58's) sound kinda like a snare drum? Like there is a bunch of things in there that add sound, but it ain't actually yer voice.

Prages
10-09-2008, 06:46 AM
I have never seen so much hate for the SM58. It boggles the mind.

I mean, I concur that there are better sounding mics out there, but Jeez, the way some of you talk you'd think that you'd be better off with a $10 mic from Radio Shack.

Surrealistic
10-09-2008, 06:52 AM
I have these vocal mics in my collection:

Shure SM57
Shure Beta 58a
EV N/D767a
Sennheiser e835
Sennheiser e945
Audio Technica PR99 (cheap but very good).

Out of all these I think the Beta 58 and the EV N/D767a sound the best, but they're all great and can be made to sound nearly identical when EQd.

I'd be very interested in your thoughts on the two Sennheisers you mentioned. I'm on the verge of buying a couple of e835s but am stalling on whether it's worth the extra for the e945s. Is there a noticable gain in quality in your opinion?

Thanks

Alter Ego
10-09-2008, 05:41 PM
I do have the SM 58, Beta 58, and the Beta 87a and I love my 87. I do not have any problems with handling noise at all with it.

I would also like to say that the mic which is best suited to your voice, style, as well as how and where you us a mic should determine what mic you buy. I appreciate the reviews, but always use what works best for you.

dcooper830
10-09-2008, 10:32 PM
I'd be very interested in your thoughts on the two Sennheisers you mentioned. I'm on the verge of buying a couple of e835s but am stalling on whether it's worth the extra for the e945s. Is there a noticable gain in quality in your opinion?

Thanks

Well the e945 has extended high frequency response. It goes up to 18khz as opposed to the e835s 16khz.

And you can hear that. And it sounds great. But I don't know if it's worth the extra $120. But I'm glad I got it. Its supercardioid so it has good feedback rejection also as opposed to the regular cardoid pattern of the e835.

Although I have NEVER had any feedback problems with either.

cherri
10-10-2008, 06:56 AM
This is a very informative thread. :thu:

Bryan316
10-10-2008, 07:05 AM
Dcoop, I'll be spending some time in two music stores this weekend. I'll go compare the EV RE410 to the Senny E835 and E945 and see what I hear.

GAWD I love trying out new gear. Heh heh heh.

T Dunn
10-11-2008, 02:09 AM
I've hated my voice on SM58, and have used EV N/D767's for years. But my sound tech hates the N/D's and loves the SM's, so he insists I use the Shure. Meanwhile, my drummer and keyboard player use my N/D's because of the bass boost, as their voices are not as, er, powerful as mine.

I'm interest in testing out an ElectroVoice RE410. Thanks for the head's up.

Jon Hiller
10-12-2008, 12:07 AM
If you don't add Audix OM5 and OM3 to your test, you are doing yourself a HUGE disservice. Make sure when you test them to start with the EQ flat, because you likely won't need much EQ on them. The Audix mics have between 25 and 30 dB of off-axis rejection, for the ability to get monitors LOUD before feedback. I do front of house for a church and the OM3 is my go-to mic, we got rid of SM58's for them, they are much more intelligible and we have lots less issues with feedback in the monitors. Vocals cut well and are understandable. The OM5 (we have a wireless with an OM5 in it) has a bit of an upper mid peak, which makes certain vocals stand out a tad more. I would be loathe to go back to SM58's at this point. It's not that the 58's are bad, but the Audix mics seem sooooooo much better by comparison. Good handling noise levels, too.

ChristianRock
10-14-2008, 11:12 AM
I'll use an SM58 if I have to, but I have yet to come across a microphone that is better than the Sennheiser MD441 for my live vocals. My influence is the 70s so I guess it's not a surprise - it was the fave mic for Elton John, Stevie Nicks and Frank Zappa for many years during the 70s and early 80s. Prince is said to have used it too.
Plus it's big and square and cool and different looking and people immediately think "wow, this guy's serious" :) But for my voice, I just love it, it cuts through well and is really easy to get dynamics out of it. I love it.
Oh and Janis Joplin liked it too :D

gwellard
10-15-2008, 10:31 AM
Agree with original post - the RE410 is a singer's friend, with a very warm, crisp sound. For my money a massive improvement on the SM58, which has never impressed me much. The RE410 allows you to project your real voice, and helps you to sound great even on nights when you don't feel so hot. Good value, too.

FireInCairo
10-25-2008, 08:08 PM
I used a 57 for years, but it really didn't compliment my midrangey voice. I then tried a Sennheiser E835 and haven't looked back. It's full on either end of the spectrum and has enough mid scoop to help my voice a bit. Also, the signal from it is STRONG. That allows me to ease back instead of totally having to try and belt stuff out like I used to with the 57. Either way, I'm a crappy singer who has been able to sound better through technology. Everyone has a mic that's made for their voice, it's just a matter of finding that mic.

mark7171
10-27-2008, 06:44 AM
one of the best mics , you actually make yourself!

it records in the 20-20,000hz range, that beats the SM58. the 58 sounds good and puts the vocals in their natural range. here is a schematic for the DIY mic, and a comparison live mp3 test.

http://xs232.xs.to/xs232/08441/44443mic653.jpg

http://www.christianmusicweb.com/microphones/mic_test.mp3

more at http://www.christianmusicweb.com/microphones/mic_project.html

some i made @ 9volt power.
http://xs432.xs.to/xs432/08441/mics345tggg465.jpg

Foss38
10-30-2008, 05:48 PM
One of the best live VX mics is the Heil PR 35 ~ Bob's the Grand-Daddy of "real" live sound !

jmcountry43
10-30-2008, 09:15 PM
Shure Beta 87A or C Both awesome mics and VERY reliable. That is the big test. Great sound you can beat the heck out of. I love mine. But the other mics you mentioned are good as well.

diceman1000
11-10-2008, 02:25 AM
i have a berhinger xm 8500,$20...and i can't tell the difference between it and my buddy's sm 58's...the 8500 works very well with my voice

Damon

WowieZowie
11-10-2008, 10:20 AM
If you don't add Audix OM5 and OM3 to your test, you are doing yourself a HUGE disservice. Make sure when you test them to start with the EQ flat, because you likely won't need much EQ on them. The Audix mics have between 25 and 30 dB of off-axis rejection, for the ability to get monitors LOUD before feedback. I do front of house for a church and the OM3 is my go-to mic, we got rid of SM58's for them, they are much more intelligible and we have lots less issues with feedback in the monitors. Vocals cut well and are understandable. The OM5 (we have a wireless with an OM5 in it) has a bit of an upper mid peak, which makes certain vocals stand out a tad more. I would be loathe to go back to SM58's at this point. It's not that the 58's are bad, but the Audix mics seem sooooooo much better by comparison. Good handling noise levels, too.

I have an OM7. It is so great. I guess that we are just going to have to keep it a secrete.

stevesherbert
11-16-2008, 04:31 AM
i always wonder why so many singers rely on the club for their mic / preamp / compressor / effect setup. would a guitarist ever show up for a gig and expect the club to provide a guitar, pedals, amp and speakers? the singer is who most people listen to so their sound is absolutely crucial!

IMO pretty much any mic will sound good through the right system, and pretty much any mic will sound shitty through the wrong system. singers with no equipment of their own who complain about poor sound deserve to sound like crap.