Anyone PLAY the Boss GT-10?

[pbognar]

All the comments I read are from those who have not actually played the thing. At the very most, they watched the Boss video...

All say, COSM distortion sucks...

After the short interval between the release of the GT-8 and GT-10 I can only imagine the GT-10 is greatly improved from a feature, usability, and tonal standpoint.

Boss/Roland must have heard the comments about the tone of the COSM models - they aren't stupid. Also they must be aware of the competition from Line 6 and Vox.

I came away with a couple of things after watching the video:

- They specifically mentioned the feel of the models

- There appears to be an mode to easily get you in the ball park when creating a new tone

- They demonstrated an easy use feature which selects what you will be plugging the unit into

-There was a dialog box which asks if you are using single coils or humbuckers

- It includes a 40 second looper

I'm hoping that the unit isn't just for full-range amplification systems - because most guitarists have a guitar amp.

[HCarlH]

I played it for about 10 minutes...just going through presets.
I would have to read the manual to know how to tweak settings...it's not very intuitive.

I thought it sounded pretty good.....I saw Robert Marcello give it a good workout at a demo there. COSM is something you either like or you don't. I'm probably not giving you info that you want, but I was very impressed with what it can do. Having said that, I would also look heavily at the Line6 X3.

Line6 (for the past few years) has a small room in a different part of the Convention Center....it's basically set up just for dealers to come in and look at their stuff, so I didn't get to hear the X3 live. I have heard it online.

I think your best bet is to get it (or whatever you decide to buy) at some place like Guitar Center where you can bring it back within 30 days if you don't like it.l

[dkloehn]

I played it for about 15 minutes, and I loved it. I own a GT-8 and I thought the GT-10 sounded better and was easier to tweak. The controls were a lot simpler.

There is a much better test drive described here:

http://bossgtcentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16994

- David

[pbognar]

I played it for about 15 minutes, and I loved it. I own a GT-8 and I thought the GT-10 sounded better and was easier to tweak. The controls were a lot simpler.

There is a much better test drive described here:

http://bossgtcentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16994

- David

Thanks and thanks for the link. Sounds like the COSM engine has been reworked!!! :) And a graphic EQ...

[mharmony]

Played it for a few. I prefer individual pedals, but this made my mouth water a bit. I can only imaging how cool it must be when you have time to sit down and customize all the settings.

[mharmony]

All say, COSM distortion sucks...

No distortion complaints with the new model.

[fiftywatt]

Played it for a few. I prefer individual pedals, but this made my mouth water a bit. I can only imaging how cool it must be when you have time to sit down and customize all the settings.

Agree.. individual pedals always sound more organic and dimensional to me. BUT having owned the GT-5 for years, I've managed to dial in some very nice tones with it. I never cared for the GT-6. Was about to pull the trigger on a GT-8 early this month but had a hunch Boss was going to announce the new unit. I've also given the Line 6 POD X3L a serious look. I think Boss floor processors just sound better when plugged into traditional tube amps. The Line 6 stuff has proved impossible to *dial in* with a traditional amp IMO. I even went the Atomic route for awhile. Hot and cold for me. The X3L build quality doesn't instill confidence to me either. I am a long time XTL user also. I use it constantly for direct recording.

Having seen the video demos, I'm sold on the GT-10 now and have already preordered my unit. I have no concerns about being able to dial in the sounds I need, whatever they might end up being.

I just happen to be in an ambient instrumental band that requires a lot of radical tone changes within each tune. Doing the pedal dance with my pedalboard would almost guarantee I'd screw up my guitar parts on a gig. Hence the need for the Boss GT style unit.

[pbognar]

Agree.. individual pedals always sound more organic and dimensional to me. BUT having owned the GT-5 for years, I've managed to dial in some very nice tones with it. I never cared for the GT-6. Was about to pull the trigger on a GT-8 early this month but had a hunch Boss was going to announce the new unit. I've also given the Line 6 POD X3L a serious look. I think Boss floor processors just sound better when plugged into traditional tube amps. The Line 6 stuff has proved impossible to *dial in* with a traditional amp IMO. I even went the Atomic route for awhile. Hot and cold for me. The X3L build quality doesn't instill confidence to me either. I am a long time XTL user also. I use it constantly for direct recording.

Having seen the video demos, I'm sold on the GT-10 now and have already preordered my unit. I have no concerns about being able to dial in the sounds I need, whatever they might end up being.

I just happen to be in an ambient instrumental band that requires a lot of radical tone changes within each tune. Doing the pedal dance with my pedalboard would almost guarantee I'd screw up my guitar parts on a gig. Hence the need for the Boss GT style unit.

Fiddy,

Couldn't agree with you more. I've got a GT-5 but also a Yamaha DG-80. In real life gigs, the GT into a keyboard amp has served me well in cover/funk bands for over 10 years. I haven't been keen on the amp and cab sims, but with creative eq and other tweaking, it allowed me to make radical changes during tunes - which if you are the only guitarist, is necessary much of the time.

I was looking at either a tonelab desktop model to put in the GT effects loop or getting a GT-8, but I'm glad I waited.

It sounds like Roland/Boss listened to user complaints and rather than roll over and die, like Yamaha did with their DG-Stomp and MagicStomp, they re-did the sound engine and it also appears that there may be an amp-like feel as well.

Also, I suspect the unit will play well with guitar amps as well as full range systems.

The flexibility of the GT series has always been its strong suit, now maybe the tones and feel will also be greatly improved.

This could be really good. :love:

[sventvkg]

Fiddy,

Couldn't agree with you more. I've got a GT-5 but also a Yamaha DG-80. In real life gigs, the GT into a keyboard amp has served me well in cover/funk bands for over 10 years. I haven't been keen on the amp and cab sims, but with creative eq and other tweaking, it allowed me to make radical changes during tunes - which if you are the only guitarist, is necessary much of the time.

I was looking at either a tonelab desktop model to put in the GT effects loop or getting a GT-8, but I'm glad I waited.

It sounds like Roland/Boss listened to user complaints and rather than roll over and die, like Yamaha did with their DG-Stomp and MagicStomp, they re-did the sound engine and it also appears that there may be an amp-like feel as well.

Also, I suspect the unit will play well with guitar amps as well as full range systems.

The flexibility of the GT series has always been its strong suit, now maybe the tones and feel will also be greatly improved.

This could be really good. :love:


Well I don't know if they redid it because from the video's i've seen of the GT10 the COSM tones are no different then the ones I was getting over a decade ago. Their Modeling Sucks bad. The distortion tones are horrid..Love the effects though...All of their demo goes have horrible tone and use WAY more distortion then I'm into as well, so that could be part of it. I'll have to go plug into a GT10 for myself but I'm hearing the same artifacts as always so far.

[pbognar]

Well I don't know if they redid it because from the video's i've seen of the GT10 the COSM tones are no different then the ones I was getting over a decade ago. Their Modeling Sucks bad. The distortion tones are horrid..Love the effects though...All of their demo goes have horrible tone and use WAY more distortion then I'm into as well, so that could be part of it. I'll have to go plug into a GT10 for myself but I'm hearing the same artifacts as always so far.

Poke around here:

http://bossgtcentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16994

It seems like some GT-8 models are gone and there other new ones:

"...We lost a few Overdrives and Amp models, but we also gained a few different ones (ie, only 3 Rectifiers, but they sound *very good* - also, a new Fender Deluxe crunch model as well as a new scooped Marshall model). They said some of the new COSM technology is from their new Amp modeling pedals... " (the Deluxe Reverb and the Bassman Pedals, which Guitar Player thought were pretty good)

BTW: Those demos always suck - I pretty sick of those two guys. I wouldn't judge the tone based on an web based video...

[pbognar]

Here is another demo to check out:

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=5982

[fiftywatt]

Well I don't know if they redid it because from the video's i've seen of the GT10 the COSM tones are no different then the ones I was getting over a decade ago. Their Modeling Sucks bad. The distortion tones are horrid..Love the effects though

I'll make the disclaimer that I've never owned/used a GT-6 or a GT-8, only the GT-5. I've found the preamp/cab modeling in the 5 to be mostly useless. Maybe the "blackface Twin" preamp is *OK* in the GT-5. BUT, the distortion stomps in the 5 are stellar. The Custom OD 1 and 2 that are user defined are amazing. The later GT-5/6/8 units don't offer anywhere near the level of control over that feature.

It's also important to note that the OD/Distortions in the GT-5 are analog signal path and not COSM at all. At least that's how it was touted 10 years ago. My GT-5 is still rocking hard, but the rotary encoder wheel is worn out and on the fly tweaks are getting to be difficult. But I can't fault the modulation or delay effects one bit. They are stellar.

I almost pulled the trigger on a GT-8 about a month ago. Glad I waited on the new model announcement. I'm expecting the GT-10 to be a really good unit. Yeah, the video demo is cheesy sounding at times, but I can "hear around" those tones enough to know that there's plenty of power to tweak the unit to do what I need it to do. The demo video is not all bad.. check out the Robert Marcello section where he's doing the shimmery tempo delay and watery chorus. That's some pretty cool noise.

[pjmuck]

If you're familiar with the GT-8 then how user-friendly is the GT-10? I would hope that it's designed so that prior GT-8 or GT-Pro users (I own a GT-Pro) would find it familiar and be able to jump right in. Also, are there any plans to produce a rackmount updated GT-Pro?

FYI, I love my GT-Pro, and while I can understand people being unhappy with COSM I also believe that 90% of the people who hate it didn't go beyond dialing in factory presets when they demoed it. The tones are there, you just have to find them. I run my GT-Pro through an Atomic 50/112 with an HC in the loop and I couldn't be happier.

[pbognar]

I'll make the disclaimer that I've never owned/used a GT-6 or a GT-8, only the GT-5. I've found the preamp/cab modeling in the 5 to be mostly useless. Maybe the "blackface Twin" preamp is *OK* in the GT-5. BUT, the distortion stomps in the 5 are stellar. The Custom OD 1 and 2 that are user defined are amazing. The later GT-5/6/8 units don't offer anywhere near the level of control over that feature.

It's also important to note that the OD/Distortions in the GT-5 are analog signal path and not COSM at all. At least that's how it was touted 10 years ago. My GT-5 is still rocking hard, but the rotary encoder wheel is worn out and on the fly tweaks are getting to be difficult. But I can't fault the modulation or delay effects one bit. They are stellar.

I almost pulled the trigger on a GT-8 about a month ago. Glad I waited on the new model announcement. I'm expecting the GT-10 to be a really good unit. Yeah, the video demo is cheesy sounding at times, but I can "hear around" those tones enough to know that there's plenty of power to tweak the unit to do what I need it to do. The demo video is not all bad.. check out the Robert Marcello section where he's doing the shimmery tempo delay and watery chorus. That's some pretty cool noise.

I agree that the OD/Distortions sound better that the COSM preamps cranked up, but I believe that once you plug into the GT-5, the first thing that is done is that there is an analog to digital conversion. Think about it - the fact that you can change the effect order such that an overdrive can be after a COSM preamp means that overdrive cannot be analog.

But I am going to experiment with using the OD/DS module WITHOUT any COSM preamps or cabs and see what that sounds like going into the front end of a guitar amp.

I think the fact that GT's have tended to sound best with full range amplification is because of the preamp and cab modeling.

[Ultra.Fuzz]

I agree that the OD/Distortions sound better that the COSM preamps cranked up, but I believe that once you plug into the GT-5, the first thing that is done is that there is an analog to digital conversion. Think about it - the fact that you can change the effect order such that an overdrive can be after a COSM preamp means that overdrive cannot be analog.

But I am going to experiment with using the OD/DS module WITHOUT any COSM preamps or cabs and see what that sounds like going into the front end of a guitar amp.

I think the fact that GT's have tended to sound best with full range amplification is because of the preamp and cab modeling.

That's exactly how the loop works, there's a D/A conversion that sends the signal to the send (loop out) and there's an A\D conversion that sends the signal back to the unit (return - loop in).

If the loop can be placed anywhere in the effects chain then why wouldn't that be possible for an analog distortion section?

It probably has an extra pair of converters and that's it.

[fiftywatt]

I agree that the OD/Distortions sound better that the COSM preamps cranked up, but I believe that once you plug into the GT-5, the first thing that is done is that there is an analog to digital conversion. Think about it - the fact that you can change the effect order such that an overdrive can be after a COSM preamp means that overdrive cannot be analog.

I never thought about that. I used the GT-5 in front of my amps for a recording session yesterday. I use it like a glorified programmable pedalboard. I never use the COSM preamps or cab sims at all. Bottom line for me is just how good the FX sound. I've got a rotary speaker patch assigned to the control pedal for speed. Add a little tap tempo delay and it sounds glorious n stereo.

I owned one of the Boss OD-20 pedals for awhile which was a programmable COSM distortion stomp. That box sounded absolutely terrific run into the inputs of several tube different tube amps. I am hoping the GT-10 will sound at least as good as the COSM units I've used before. I have no reason to doubt that, eh?

[pbognar]

I never thought about that. I used the GT-5 in front of my amps for a recording session yesterday. I use it like a glorified programmable pedalboard. I never use the COSM preamps or cab sims at all. Bottom line for me is just how good the FX sound. I've got a rotary speaker patch assigned to the control pedal for speed. Add a little tap tempo delay and it sounds glorious n stereo.

I owned one of the Boss OD-20 pedals for awhile which was a programmable COSM distortion stomp. That box sounded absolutely terrific run into the inputs of several tube different tube amps. I am hoping the GT-10 will sound at least as good as the COSM units I've used before. I have no reason to doubt that, eh?

Ummmm... If I may be so bold, can you pm me your settings for your rotary speaker patch on the GT-5? Thanks!

[stompinne]

I use the gt-5 also. I never use the cosm, od/ds, or custom distortions in a full way. I always start from pure amptone, the main distorted sound, comes from a marshall dsl. I use the od/ds together with the autowah (no sweep) in a way to 'shape' the pickups-sound, to get more the overallsound i want. Once this is done, i can add some more od/ds volume/gain if necessary. The GT-5 for me, is a 'tool' to get a better overall sound. If you rely mainly on the full blown od/ds or cosm effects, then it sounds too artificial.

[Shashiaj]

All the comments I read are from those who have not actually played the thing. At the very most, they watched the Boss video...

All say, COSM distortion sucks...

After the short interval between the release of the GT-8 and GT-10 I can only imagine the GT-10 is greatly improved from a feature, usability, and tonal standpoint.

Boss/Roland must have heard the comments about the tone of the COSM models - they aren't stupid. Also they must be aware of the competition from Line 6 and Vox.

I came away with a couple of things after watching the video:

- They specifically mentioned the feel of the models

- There appears to be an mode to easily get you in the ball park when creating a new tone

- They demonstrated an easy use feature which selects what you will be plugging the unit into

-There was a dialog box which asks if you are using single coils or humbuckers

- It includes a 40 second looper

I'm hoping that the unit isn't just for full-range amplification systems - because most guitarists have a guitar amp.


Ok, I did buy the GT-10 and have the GT-8 currently. I've owned the previous models and it IS just what I was hoping for.... After getting used to the new interface (about 45mins to an hour of poking around and seeing where everything is now), it's actually a lot easier!

Here's some answers to your Q's....


- They specifically mentioned the feel of the models
Response - Much better than it used to be. Easier to manipulate and better sounds. A lot closer to the sounds, but there's sooooo much more to it.
You can really dig deeper into the models.

- There appears to be an mode to easily get you in the ball park when creating a new tone
Response - Yes. They have the Create/Edit and with that you can choose via a bunch of different genres to put you in the right direction, then you can start dialing in deeper to what YOU want it to sound like for yourself. Or, you can chase the sound of the artist you're trying to replicate (if you're doing a covers gig). Also, I found the 40 second loop helped me develop the sounds soooo much easier. You can change it from Performance (normal mode) to patch edit and manipulate the sounds/efx's/etc and it will update the loop in real time so you don't have to keep jockying back and forth between changes and testing/playing. :)

- They demonstrated an easy use feature which selects what you will be plugging the unit into
Response - Yes, you can define full featured stacks, combos, line, etc.... Takes only a min to select what you're using. And the other cool thing is you can set this globally. Also, you can save efx's that you've created and use/dispurse them to other banks.... That cool delay, chorus, reverb (or whatever) can be pushed to other banks easily instead of having to replicate it manually everytime.

- There was a dialog box which asks if you are using single coils or humbuckers
Response - yep, and you can do that in the GT-8 as well. I don't remember doing that in the 6, but yes, you can manipulate that. Another note to add on this is - You DON'T have to use their gui-like interface, you can change it to more of a slider/numerical notation like most would be familiar with on the previous models. I like that feature, as you can get close with the new interface and switch over and tweak it more specific with the slider/numerical approach. :)

- It includes a 40 second looper
Response - yes it has a cool looper that you can manipulate just like most saw on the video. I did a little messing around with that and it works just fine. You don't have to do a tap dance on the board to get it to work. Plus, the patch edit feature is invaluable. At least to me it is.... I can focus more on the sound that I want instead of going back and forth with changes and playing/testing....

I'm hoping that the unit isn't just for full-range amplification systems - because most guitarists have a guitar amp.- They specifically mentioned the feel of the models
Response - Answered in the 3rd question....

I hope this helps. NO, I don't work or am sponsored by Boss/Roland in any way. Just an artist that bought one to see if it was going to be a reliable studio unit or all-around. I like it. Some may not, but that's for those that didn't want to put the effort into getting familiar with the way it was redesigned. I think it's more intuitive than you think! Just not completely like it used to be. Another example, the tuner - you had to press a million buttons and navigate to change it from bypass to mute. You just push the tuner button and turn the dial and you change it globally from bypass to mute. Done in 5 seconds, vice 2-5 mins.... Plus, you can't argue that having an additional CTL pedal isn't a bonus and useful!

Ok, if you have any other Q's about it, let me know and I'll be happy to jump back up on my soapbox. :P



-S-

[pbognar]

Hey - thanks for your sharing your GT-10 observations.

If I get into playing live again, I'll move up from my GT-5 to a GT-10.

[digirira]

Hello, thank you for a very comprehensive review.

I'm deciding between GT-10 and the new TC Electronic Nova System, with analog overdrive.

I have two questions, 1: Does it have true(or something close) bypass? My dissapointments with multi-effect units have been how the signal changes to cold, sterile, digital-like sound. I'm wondering how it is on GT-10
2: How is the overdrive and distortion on these?

Thanks!

[Shashiaj]

Hello, thank you for a very comprehensive review.

I'm deciding between GT-10 and the new TC Electronic Nova System, with analog overdrive.

I have two questions, 1: Does it have true(or something close) bypass? My dissapointments with multi-effect units have been how the signal changes to cold, sterile, digital-like sound. I'm wondering how it is on GT-10
2: How is the overdrive and distortion on these?

Thanks!

Digirira,
Fair enough questions.... Here's my response....

1. Sadly enough, it appears to be the same. But, I don't use bypass. The only time I've ever used anything like it was my tuner, but I re-set that from bypass to mute. I think it's completely unprofessional to see a show and hear the guitar(s) tuning unmuted. But, that's me. Including drummers for pointless and stray drum hits.... Aaaaaaaaanyways....

2. The overdrive/distortion on the GT-10 is MUCH better. And the ability to "create" the sound you want? Invaluable. I've created 4 patches that I love. and walking through the create funtion, you start with picking your pickup arrangement and amplification/cab type, then genre-type (blues, metal, jazz, etc) with multiple choices to test, next comes drive (soft/hard, solo/backing), then the efx grid (wet/dry, short/long). Then when that's done, you can even use the edit button and tweak the drive, delay (time/level) and chorus (if applicable).... It's very simple to use and easy to build a sound that YOU like. Also, remember you can set the looper to Patch Edit and record up to 40 seconds and you can tweak that loop in real-time to mold the sound/tone you want instead of going back and forth between playing and tweaking the variables.

Remember everyone, this unit has been redesigned and I have to tell you that it is more powerful than you previous ones. You have to just get used to the new system. It didn't take me long and I am completely satisfied with this release! If you just want all the knobs to make you feel comfy, stay with the 8 and earlier. You want a powerful, almost limitless (disclaimer, hehe), processor - this is the one!

And I'm thankful it's silver/gray, instead of that horrid blue that were showing early on.... :blah: Ok, i'm done.... :P

-S-

[fiftywatt]

Good points all around from Shashiaj. Agree with all of it.

I've had my GT-10 for just under a week now. I've spent some time running it stereo into a pair of EL84 based British style combos. That's my primary application, for live gigging. Spent several nights programming tones with headphones as well. I can't find anything to complain about at all. The feel and touch response are very good. The modulation and delay FX sound really good. Lots of good distortion sounds, both medium and uber gain as well. The wahs are pretty decent too. I've barely put one foot in the water as far as what this box can do. It took me a while to figure out how to set up the assigns to the CTL 1 and 2 switches but other than that it is easy to navigate. I prefer "list view" as far as display modes go, as I'm all about the deep editing pretty early on. I suspect the GT-10 would even be pretty decent for direct recording applications, although I currently use a POD XT Live for that sort of thing.

[TsiAileron]

Currently looking into getting a GT-10. Was just curious about this:

"The two channels can be used simultaneously, blended by expression pedal, or even switched based on your playing dynamics."

Is that the same feature from the GT-8, where you can.. say, pick lightly for clean and pick hard for distortion?

[Capricorn]

The boss gt 10 doesnt even touch the carl martin quattro. the simplest, greatest multi pedal i have ever used.

[Shashiaj]

Currently looking into getting a GT-10. Was just curious about this:

"The two channels can be used simultaneously, blended by expression pedal, or even switched based on your playing dynamics."

Is that the same feature from the GT-8, where you can.. say, pick lightly for clean and pick hard for distortion?

Yep! :)

[Shashiaj]

The boss gt 10 doesnt even touch the carl martin quattro. the simplest, greatest multi pedal i have ever used.

You're crazy! I've gotten into conversations about such products with multiple people and albeit this is a nice controller, not even CLOSE to being the processor that the 10 is. I'm sorry, but I totally disagree.

I'm working up some recorded sounds and well I'm doing a recording project for a former band. Once that's done, I'll be able to truly report on the usb recording (which we're going to give a hard test to) and also standard recording w/mics.
I'll try and get copies of the raw files out to mp3 samples and mixed versions when they're available. May be a little while. We're not slated to do the next round until May 5th.

People can argue that "this processor is better" or "that processor is better", but until you TRULY spend some time with the GT-10, you will not be able to get the full effect of the power of this processor. I've had it for a while now and I KNOW I haven't really gotten into everything this processor can do. But, the sounds are better, cleaner and quieter. You have such a finite control over everything....


-S-

Ok, my diatribe is over for this round.... :blah:

[Shashiaj]

Good points all around from Shashiaj. Agree with all of it.

I've had my GT-10 for just under a week now. I've spent some time running it stereo into a pair of EL84 based British style combos. That's my primary application, for live gigging. Spent several nights programming tones with headphones as well. I can't find anything to complain about at all. The feel and touch response are very good. The modulation and delay FX sound really good. Lots of good distortion sounds, both medium and uber gain as well. The wahs are pretty decent too. I've barely put one foot in the water as far as what this box can do. It took me a while to figure out how to set up the assigns to the CTL 1 and 2 switches but other than that it is easy to navigate. I prefer "list view" as far as display modes go, as I'm all about the deep editing pretty early on. I suspect the GT-10 would even be pretty decent for direct recording applications, although I currently use a POD XT Live for that sort of thing.

I like the list view as well, but I personally start with the gui interface to get it close and then drill down with the list view. :)

[RonHarmony]

Just last week, I bought the GT-10. I play almost exclusively 12 string acoustic (Taylor 555) & electric (Ric 370/12), with JC 120 and play primarily worship team music at church. I have owned a Digitech RP-7 in the past and felt like it was time to update my effects. I have found the GT-10 to be a superb addition to my arsenal of sounds. Co-importance: ease of tweaking and quality of effects sounds. For most mega-effects boxes, you have to be a computer programmer to tweak. With the GT-10, you can use the EZ method and have your basic sound in less than a minute. Afterward, you can fine tine various parameters to your most infitescimal nuances with the parameter knobs. You can create the exact tone that you are after. Quality of tone? Makes my Roland JC-120 sound like virtually any modeled amplifier out there: Marshall, Vox, vintage Fender, etc. As to quality of effects, there are all your familiar reverbs, distortions, phasers, phrasers, crazers, etc. There are some rather useless effects for which I wish that they would have substituted the Space Echo, but they didn't ask me. This is a top-shelve effects processor. To the frustration of Guitar Center, I try out stuff all the time from there. This one I am going to keep. Code words: ease of use, quality of tones, quality of effects, virtually NO electrical noise in my noisy electrically unbalanced worship center. This is a keeper. Satisfied, fully.

[ctyelvis]

I bought the GT-10 and like it a lot. But I have limited space in my home studio and like the rack mount thing. I will only be using the unit for home recording. I'm finding the GT-10 is always in the way because it's a foot pedal. I don't want to go backwards in tone & effects category though.

What are the main differences between the 2 units? I've looked around but info seems vague. The GT-Pro has 4 COSM chips but are they the older GT-8 technology or is it the same technology that's in the GT-10 (just the GT-10 has new algo's)? The GT-Pro has 200 something effects etc. but are they lesser in quality than the GT-10? How many COSM chips is the GT-10 using? How many effects etc does the GT-10 have vs. the GT-Pro?

Any other advice about the 2 units? I am on the waiting list for a Fractal Audio Axe-Fx, but in the meantime am wanting one of these GT units.

Thanks in advance,
-Chris

[ctyelvis]

I just got off the phone with Boss/Roland. They confirmed the GT-Pro is built with the GT-8's technology. Which would make sense since it has been out for a few years now. And after listening to what he said, the GT-10 is a superior unit to the GT-Pro, with many of the GT-10's new features. The only thing the GT-Pro would have over the GT-10 is it has a few more Input & Output options really. But all the main stuff you would need like the SPDIF and USB are all on the GT-10.

-Chris

[Burtramb]

Ok, I did buy the GT-10 and have the GT-8 currently. I've owned the previous models and it IS just what I was hoping for.... After getting used to the new interface (about 45mins to an hour of poking around and seeing where everything is now), it's actually a lot easier!

Here's some answers to your Q's....


- They specifically mentioned the feel of the models
Response - Much better than it used to be. Easier to manipulate and better sounds. A lot closer to the sounds, but there's sooooo much more to it.
You can really dig deeper into the models.

- There appears to be an mode to easily get you in the ball park when creating a new tone
Response - Yes. They have the Create/Edit and with that you can choose via a bunch of different genres to put you in the right direction, then you can start dialing in deeper to what YOU want it to sound like for yourself. Or, you can chase the sound of the artist you're trying to replicate (if you're doing a covers gig). Also, I found the 40 second loop helped me develop the sounds soooo much easier. You can change it from Performance (normal mode) to patch edit and manipulate the sounds/efx's/etc and it will update the loop in real time so you don't have to keep jockying back and forth between changes and testing/playing. :)

- They demonstrated an easy use feature which selects what you will be plugging the unit into
Response - Yes, you can define full featured stacks, combos, line, etc.... Takes only a min to select what you're using. And the other cool thing is you can set this globally. Also, you can save efx's that you've created and use/dispurse them to other banks.... That cool delay, chorus, reverb (or whatever) can be pushed to other banks easily instead of having to replicate it manually everytime.

- There was a dialog box which asks if you are using single coils or humbuckers
Response - yep, and you can do that in the GT-8 as well. I don't remember doing that in the 6, but yes, you can manipulate that. Another note to add on this is - You DON'T have to use their gui-like interface, you can change it to more of a slider/numerical notation like most would be familiar with on the previous models. I like that feature, as you can get close with the new interface and switch over and tweak it more specific with the slider/numerical approach. :)

- It includes a 40 second looper
Response - yes it has a cool looper that you can manipulate just like most saw on the video. I did a little messing around with that and it works just fine. You don't have to do a tap dance on the board to get it to work. Plus, the patch edit feature is invaluable. At least to me it is.... I can focus more on the sound that I want instead of going back and forth with changes and playing/testing....

I'm hoping that the unit isn't just for full-range amplification systems - because most guitarists have a guitar amp.- They specifically mentioned the feel of the models
Response - Answered in the 3rd question....

I hope this helps. NO, I don't work or am sponsored by Boss/Roland in any way. Just an artist that bought one to see if it was going to be a reliable studio unit or all-around. I like it. Some may not, but that's for those that didn't want to put the effort into getting familiar with the way it was redesigned. I think it's more intuitive than you think! Just not completely like it used to be. Another example, the tuner - you had to press a million buttons and navigate to change it from bypass to mute. You just push the tuner button and turn the dial and you change it globally from bypass to mute. Done in 5 seconds, vice 2-5 mins.... Plus, you can't argue that having an additional CTL pedal isn't a bonus and useful!

Ok, if you have any other Q's about it, let me know and I'll be happy to jump back up on my soapbox. :P



-S-

I own a GT-10 since a few days and I think it's sounds great. To be honest I only spent a few hours tweaking, but it's seems to be "better" than GT-8. Anyhow, I would like to know how to assign Pedal bend function to Exp2 pedal and Foot volume function to Exp1 pedal; (with gt-8 I could do it). It's silly but I can't find a way to do this (I'm getting old...).
Thanks in advance for any help.

Burtramb

[Nokie]

Are any of you using the Boss GT-10 in live performance and if so, through what amp and what settings did you find to be good?

I have not had very good experiences using the Boss GT-10 in live performance. It is becoming clear to me that this unit is designed for those who intend to use it for home recording. I had it plugged into a Marshall JC 800 a couple of days ago for a showcase performance and found the distortion sounds that sounded so good when I dialed 'em in at home had way too much high end, way too much drive and sounded very thin through the Marshall.

The GT-10 has a series of output modes. I selected "stack" and also tried "combo". They weren't significantly effective in giving me a less bright sound. Adjusting treble, mid, bass and presence on the Marshall did not help much. Switching to the neck pick-up on my Strat kept the shrillness down but, bottom line, the tones were just awefull and had way too much drive. I hated that the drive was not immediatly accessable with a knob. I had to hit a button and then a knob was assigned to drive BUT I had to lock in the drive setting or I'd lose that drive setting when I hit another pedal. That process is not going to work if I want to make a slight adjustment while the band is playing.

Trying to make quick tweeks is not as hard on the GT-10 as it is on a unit where you have to scroll through menus but its not as easy as the Boss ME-50 where knobs give immediate access to drive, compression, reverb etc...I see that the Line 6 POD X3 has knobs for immediate access to drive, delay and tone settings but not for compression or noise gate. I A/B'd my brother's Line 6 Floor POD (down the product line from POD X3) with my GT-10 and the floor pod's distortions were much less bright. Unfortunately I didn't get to try the POD through a proper amp with a full band playing. I didn't like the Floor POD's cheaper construction but it did have the right "immediate access" knobs and I suspect its distortions wouldn't be as bright and shrill through the Marshall.

Anyways, I'd really like to hear from those playing gigs with the GT-10 and what you've found to be usefull settings.

[eddy]

I feel kind of stupid asking this, as I've owned every GT model made over the years, no problems ever with programming, but this "simple" function has me stumped....following the directions in the manual, I have not been able to assign the tuner on/off using the Expression Pedal....cannot actually find the menu where tuner SW is located....can anyone here "hold my hand" and basically take me step by step through this? I know I must be missing a "function" menu somewhere, but for the life of me, I can't find it ! As for everything else, all seems great, other than I'm also having a problem finding a way to "boost" settings by using just a master volume increased setting assigned to one of the CTL pedals (probably located somewhere, I could do this without problem on all other versions).
Anyway, many thanks in advance to anyone who can help !

BW