I have a solution

[FireWithin]

for the failing cd sales and rampet mp3 downloading.

We've gone around on this a million times so I'm not going to get into trying to actually "fix" the existing methods. Here is my solution....

A new medium. A physical format. As good as CD but on a small card, like a sims card. It needs the IT tech. that we see in high quility programs like AutoCAD, Solidworks,etc. so the files CANNOT be copied.

This would require a entire new player for your house stereo, a new pocket music player like ipod/mp3 players. New stereo for your car....

Everyone wins....including the artist. Would be like when CD came on the market.

What do guys think?

[FireWithin]

BTW, this "could" play on your pc if you bought a new drive but the content, other than seeing the songs and playing them, would not be open to editing.

So, no buying songs online and adding to the cards. The cards would be like the CD from the store. Contains the music, a cool case with art. and again, you can't edit anything.

[slight-return]

Well, we've got a few problems

-SW is executable (rather than merely being read) so the copy protection schemes (checks for serial, dongle, stega'd data etc) can be embedded in the execution.
whereas the actual contents of a media file can be simply serially read.
This allows for DRM "stripping" either by removal of a wrapper, or, if there is a more complex scheme like encrypted storage you can do it on playback by ripping. Ripping/stripping is more of a "crack" in that you are left with files that are freely distributable...so you've got the viral distribution problem that has been around in SW since, at least, the 300 baud days

-Even executables aren't safe. There are cracks out there for stuff like autocad where the CP has been defeated by a number of different techniques
It's sort of an arms race

-even specialized hardware read systems cn be compromise as per the "chipped" game consoles


On the product marketing front, having ROM physical media could be a "drastic step backward" to the potential consumer -- it wouldn't allow for consolidated playlists/collections to be used on mobile players, even home decks (moving us back to something like mechanical CD "jukebox" style changers), you can't download [from legit sources], but have to wait/trvel for physical delivery, etc
So the marketing resistance could be substantial.
It could even possibly become a point of justification folks would use for stripping, possibly piracy "Oh, they made this bloated medium that is inconvenient, so I just rip my stuff and use it the way I want...sure, you can have a cpy...fuck em"

just a "from the hip" analysis of some issues and concerns...there could be mitiagting factors or futher developments, but ther's some stuff

[Li10]

besides, people could play it, record the music playing and then upload it to the internet.

If you think of it this way then there is no way to stop file sharing.

[slight-return]

besides, people could play it, record the music playing and then upload it to the internet.



That's essentially how a species of ripping known as "streamripping" works - it can be done totally in the digital domain so you don't have loss-of-fidelity issues. Sometimes, you can even streamrip faster-than-realtime

the time-to-rip tends to be negligile for shortform audio (such as popsongs) programming, it an get a little more hascular for longform stuff like audiobooks, but the technical problems are no worse

[fretwizz]

".... it an get a little more hascular for longform stuff like audiobooks....."

Hascular?

Now there's a word I've never seen/heard before.
What does it mean?

And to the OP.
There is no way to stop people making copies.

[slight-return]

Hascular?

Now there's a word I've never seen/heard before.
What does it mean?


of, for, or relating to hassle :D

[sabriel9v]

BTW, this "could" play on your pc if you bought a new drive but the content, other than seeing the songs and playing them, would not be open to editing.

So, no buying songs online and adding to the cards. The cards would be like the CD from the store. Contains the music, a cool case with art. and again, you can't edit anything.

I'm not big on techno jargon, but I know if anything is capable of being played or used on a computer, it can be bootlegged. I actually have a program that allows me to record anything that comes out of my speakers...it doesnt matter what the source is :eek:

[slight-return]

yup, there's a number of em - those are streamrippers

There are a couple of methods, but the basic one is to set up a "VDX" (virtual device driver)... a software model of a soundcard

so the digital audio data gets sent there as "the soundcard", and, instead of simply "playing" the sound it also stores it (they can then pass the data on to an actual soundcard for playback)

Some of em can drag data faster-than realtime depending on what's being recorded