Guitar Grimoire

[Bulf6285]

I bought the "Guitar Grimoire" to try to teach myself Scales & Modes. For every one they illustrate, there is a conventional pattern, and a sweeping pattern. Can anyone explain the difference between the two, and which one I should be practicing inorder to learn the scale for soloing? Logically, the sweeping pattern sounds like it should flow easier, but it seems that there are uncomfortable stretches in every pattern?

[stevehollx]

those books are the worst

they have like 50 million pages for ever position of evey mode, ever scale, every fingering. Learn some basic theory so you know what notes are in your scales and modes, and what notes should be in your chords and arpeggios, and youll be fine.

[r0g3r]

Originally posted by stevehollx
those books are the worst

they have like 50 million pages for ever position of evey mode, ever scale, every fingering. Learn some basic theory so you know what notes are in your scales and modes, and what notes should be in your chords and arpeggios, and youll be fine.

Contraire mon frere!!!

Those books rule! But you must understand theory to begin with for them to help you.

To answer the orignial question, the "sweep" patterns, are 3 note per string patterns that make the scales a bit easier to play fast. Frank Gambale has said that the traditional patterns are completely obsolete.

And they are called "sweep" patterns in the book, I believe, because when you use economy picking (like Frank Gambale), playing scales becomes more similar to sweep picking.

[StratKat]

The thing about the Gambale method i dont agree with though is that after you learn it for one type of music like shred metal, you tend to have difficulty in other genres for soloing.

I have a couple buds who used the Gambale method and he is right about the conventional patterns for shred rock players. But these guys were great country pickers too before they started his method. They quickly lost alot of their (cough) "flavor" in jazz, country, and blues when they started getting good at the gambale thing. So its a compromise in my opp. For guys who have to cover alot of genres it may not be the cup of tea they need. But it definitely has merit just the same.

[r0g3r]

Well I've learned both ways. I alternate pick, or economy pick, depending on what I'm playing. :cool:

(I've been alternate picking for so long that there's no way I was going to forget how to do it by learning the gambale method as well :))

[WattsUrizen]

Hmm.. I was talking to a friend of mine yesterday about this. He strictly alternate picks, while I use the 3 note per string sweep method. He asked me if I had learnt this from Gambale. However, I just did this naturally. I guess I had it drummed into me at an early age from my piano instruction that you should always try to use the least movement you can.

[r0g3r]

It should be noted that the 3 note per string "sweep" patterns that are in the Guitar Grimoire can also be used when altnernate picking. In fact, I've used those types of positions from very early on in my playing, and many players who alternate pick, like Paul Gilbert, use them.

[Visual_Tutor]

I bought the "Guitar Grimoire" to try to teach myself Scales & Modes. For every one they illustrate, there is a conventional pattern, and a sweeping pattern. Can anyone explain the difference between the two, and which one I should be practicing inorder to learn the scale for soloing? Logically, the sweeping pattern sounds like it should flow easier, but it seems that there are uncomfortable stretches in every pattern?

The best way is to use BOTH! Using the conventional pattern while playing high tones to low tones ~ then use the sweeping patterns to move from the low tones to the high tones. this will land you at the base of the next conventional pattern. So use both to move up and down the neck of the guitar.

[aliensporebomb]

How far you get with this book depends on if you are able to self-study.

If you need to have your info spoonfed to you in a "here's how to do this"
then it's not ideal for you.

I like this book, I've had it since Adam Kadmon self-published the original
Guitar Grimoire book under the "Metatron" label.

I even have the DVD but it's so hokey it's nearly embarassing.
The book is the key IMHO.

This book is not a "how to play the guitar" book, it is basically a massive
scalar reference book. The other books focus on other areas.

I actually learned to play keyboards by using the keyboard chord
diagrams and working with my guitar/music knowledge.

I would take the Grimoire down every so often and open it to a random
page and learn a new scale pattern and then write a song with it so it
gets internalized.

Anyway, my thinking is that the scale patterns might work for you
either way, try the sweep patterns and try the non-sweeps.

You might find both lead to new avenues of expression and just because
the "sweep" patterns are labeled "sweep patterns" doesn't mean you need
to sweep them, you can articulate them any way you want.

[AllmanBrosFan]

Contraire mon frere!!!

Those books rule! But you must understand theory to begin with for them to help you.

To answer the orignial question, the "sweep" patterns, are 3 note per string patterns that make the scales a bit easier to play fast. Frank Gambale has said that the traditional patterns are completely obsolete.

And they are called "sweep" patterns in the book, I believe, because when you use economy picking (like Frank Gambale), playing scales becomes more similar to sweep picking.

I just saved you all money

http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/guitar_scales.php

I agree with Steve. There really isn't anything in there that you can find online for free.

[girevik]

The best way is to use BOTH! Using the conventional pattern while playing high tones to low tones ~ then use the sweeping patterns to move from the low tones to the high tones. this will land you at the base of the next conventional pattern. So use both to move up and down the neck of the guitar.

I'm curious as to how you found a 7-yr old thread. :lol:

[cuffdc]

I'm curious as to how you found a 7-yr old thread. :lol:

Man, I just looked at the dates after you wrote that...7 yr old resuscitation.:facepalm:

[aliensporebomb]

Yeah, I'm like "whuh?"

[Nijyo]

I'm curious as to how you found a 7-yr old thread. :lol:

Winter hasn't quite disappeared yet. Gotta do something at home when you can't open the front door yet!

[jeremy_green]

7 year old! Ha! Funny!

But is there really a time restriction on guitar related questions?

That's one of the great things about the instrument and why i have always had subscriptions to guitar mags. I am constantly going back and re-reading recent and 10-15 year old magazines. Like a lot of threads on this board - they seem just as relevant today. The faces change somewhat but the questions and discussions are intact!

Cool stuff really!

[girevik]

7 year old! Ha! Funny!

But is there really a time restriction on guitar related questions?

That's one of the great things about the instrument and why i have always had subscriptions to guitar mags. I am constantly going back and re-reading recent and 10-15 year old magazines. Like a lot of threads on this board - they seem just as relevant today. The faces change somewhat but the questions and discussions are intact!

Cool stuff really!

I feel ya, man.

But this brings up another question: is Guitar Grimoire still relevant today? Seems like there are too many other resources of better quality (both in presentation and content).

[John Busbee]

there's a lot of info in these books, but I don't like the fact he tries to rename intervals and the the dvd is super retarded. Dio wouldn't even watch it.

They are useful books though.

[jeremy_green]

I feel ya, man.

But this brings up another question: is Guitar Grimoire still relevant today? Seems like there are too many other resources of better quality (both in presentation and content).

I have never used that book so can't really comment. But I will say that because of the different ways we all learn I would say it is difficult to say any book really sucks. I am sure to someone that book is very relevant because it speaks to the way they learn.