Behringer Products @ NAMM2007

[venkiee]

By Uli Behringer..:D

Shit Loads of exciting new PA systems and instrument amplification gear will be displayed at the BEHRINGER booth 6756 in Hall A—every damnthing, any bull shitty thing in between and so much more. See you there!

I saw this note....(slightly tuned...:) ) from Behringer's site...any reports from NAMM 2007 about their "Shit Loads" ????

:bor:

[ViLo]

By Uli Behringer..:D



I saw this note....(slightly tuned...:) ) from Behringer's site...any reports from NAMM 2007 about their "Shit Loads" ????

:bor:

80 new products! ump!:D

[Alndln2]

Didn't they traditionally wait until after Namm in the past? :D :idea:

[Cirrus]

Didn't they traditionally wait until after Namm in the past? :D :idea:

:D :D

[UstadKhanAli]

80 new products!! Behringer's xerox machine must have been working overtime!!

[zenchin]

I like right under the middle picture on the Behringer site where they proudly proclaim..."THE NAMM 06 SHOW HAS STARTED!". What year are they living in?

[gdoubleyou]

80 products, I can smell the patent infringement lawsuits heating up.

[meccajay]

I live for Behringer threads..

[blue2blue]

By Uli Behringer..:D
Shit Loads of exciting new PA systems and instrument amplification gear will be displayed at the BEHRINGER booth 6756 in Hall A—every damnthing, any bull shitty thing in between and so much more. See you there!


I saw this note....(slightly tuned...:) ) from Behringer's site...any reports from NAMM 2007 about their "Shit Loads" ????

:bor:

Surely, that's a typo.

I'm darn sure it was supposed to be "loads of shit."

[Lakesidedave]

Where's where??
:D

[ViLo]

80 products, I can smell the patent infringement lawsuits heating up.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y41/ViLo/EPA800_big.jpg

:p :D

[ViLo]

EUROLIVE B415DSP
Digital Processor-Controlled 600-Watt 15" PA Speaker System with Integrated Mixer



http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y41/ViLo/B415DSP_big.jpg

[ViLo]

http://www.behringer.com/PMP5000/index.cfm?lang=ENG

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y41/ViLo/PMP5000_big.jpg

I'm having FUN :D:D:D:D

[venkiee]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y41/ViLo/EPA800_big.jpg

:p :D

Looks like modern Western Toilet...Can ask Jackass guys to Shit in...:D

[venkiee]

Full Link of Loads....Even there are 2 pianos too...

THE MAN

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/paul24/uli-behringer_150px.jpg

THE LIST (Loads)........

http://www.behringer.com/01_news/events_namm07.cfm?lang=ENG

THE FAMOUS LOGO To damage your ears..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/paul24/logo.gif

[Phil O'Keefe]

While I didn't get a chance to hear it yet, cosmetically the Vintage Time Machine sure looks an awful lot like a EHx Deluxe Memory Man. :eek: :(

[Alndln2]

After the laughter has died down, and after we spend most of our cash on what we really want, how many will admit to buying that inexpensive thing that was really needed from............... :idea: :D (can't be that bad, if it breaks, it harldly cost anything anyway....) :D

[UstadKhanAli]

I live for Behringer threads..

These and Monster threads are the best, ain't they? :D

[BLAblablah]

These and Monster threads are the best, ain't they? :D

Speak of the Devil, I wonder if Behringer (http://www.behringer.com/VT999/index.cfm?lang=ENG) will be getting sued by you know who now ;)
Bear

[Han]

I went to a pretty big music store yesterday, in order to find out how the Behringer C2 mic sounds.

'We don't sell any Behringer products anymore' the guy said. 'Howcome' I asked, too many problems and customers have to miss their gear for months.

So I went to another town and another music store. Same story.

I started a thread at a Dutch musician forun and it appears that many of them have problems with their gear, though some are very happy with it.

There was one really big problem, a light mixing desk went down in the middle of a show, oops!

Mmmm.....

[boosh]

Weren't you the one that adviced me to buy a pair of behringer c2s earlier this week? Glad I didn't go for that ;)

[Han]

Weren't you the one that adviced me to buy a pair of behringer c2s earlier this week? Glad I didn't go for that ;)

The C2 comes as a matched pair and I've read some about them, so I thought about listen to these mics myself, but nobody seems to sell them in my neighbourhood.

They can be ordered for €55 the pair at Thomann and perhaps I will get a pair.

[venkiee]

The C2 comes as a matched pair and I've read some about them, so I thought about listen to these mics myself, but nobody seems to sell them in my neighbourhood.

They can be ordered for €55 the pair at Thomann and perhaps I will get a pair.

Dont buy it for God sake.....A friend of mine was using it for recording Indian Percussion which...the mike got blast off (low intensity..like a popping) while recording...

Also On a live gig I was playing, a Eurodesk mixer died when the Guest Speaker was speaking......:freak:

[thunderpuppy]

So, what I'm wondering is: have Behringer products taken a heavy downturn in quality over the last two years? I know they've never been original, but I've had a small EuroRack mixer for a few years and a large diaphragm B2, both of which I have been using regularly for no small amount of time. They sound fine (they're not going to blow your mind, but no one wrinkles their noses at recordings that include these items and tells me "eeewww... this was made with crappy gear!")

Then my father told me about his adventures with a Behringer bass amp (the clone of, strangely enough, my bass amp, an Ashdown MAG300) that failed during a gig, and another piece of Behringer rack gear that failed after about a month.

I also, out of curiosity, tried some of their new stompboxes, and... wow... talk about lowering the standards. Crappy effects, low headroom (the phaser sounded like an overdrive), and terrible, terrible bypass.

And yet, my mixer and condenser mic soldier on.

Has Behringer switched from "cheap and serviceable" to "utter crap" in the last few years, or did I just let lucky?

[boosh]

Has Behringer switched from "cheap and serviceable" to "utter crap" in the last few years, or did I just let lucky?

That is my question also,...

I have a eurorack mixer,a guitaramp and a effects device from Behringer and they work flawlessly. I am very pleased with them and with some creativity get very descent sounds.

I borrowed a Behringer C3 Mic which I'm working with now as we speak and it sounds fine with me.

[MikeRivers]

'We don't sell any Behringer products anymore' the guy said. 'Howcome' I asked, too many problems and customers have to miss their gear for months.

So I went to another town and another music store. Same story.At their press conference, I asked if they had anything new with service, since a couple of years back they dismantled most of their service stations. "Very good question" said the presenter, and he explained their "no wait replacement" policy. If you have a piece of Behringer gear that fails during the warranty period, bring it into a dealer who is a member of that program (the large ones are, the tiny mom-and-pop ones aren't obligated) and you can exchange it for a new one on the spot. Unfortunately, their standard warranty is one year, and most things that last the first couple of weeks will last a year.

After the conference, I asked him about out-of-warranty repairs. That was less encouraging, but pretty much as expected. They'll tell you where to take it for service and you can decide whether to pay for the repair or to replace it with somethng new. He admitted that most would opt for replacement, further encouraging our "throw-away" economy.

They also had a presentation on "Behringer City" (their large campus in China) to dispel rumors of child or slave labor, showing the nice facilities and how happy the workers were. This, I suspect, is on the level, but it's interesting that they felt the need to address it to the media.

[venkiee]

Mike,

That was a nice brief about' Big B's press conference...
After the conference, I asked him about out-of-warranty repairs. That was less encouraging, but pretty much as expected. They'll tell you where to take it for service and you can decide whether to pay for the repair or to replace it with somethng new. He admitted that most would opt for replacement, further encouraging our "throw-away" economy.

This is a common scenario in Asia when you buy anything made in China..

In Singapore...

I had a DVD player which died when playing a disc..I took it to the manufacturer's service center as mentioned on the service card (after expiry of the unit) There was a big surprise for me....Most of the brands I saw in the market (like..Vitron, Vtrek,...and so on) were made in the same factory....The chinese service Technician offered me a Coffee and a Fag and asked me...if I could pay 30 bucks more, He wil replace the whole set...I was shaken..not stirred...finally I carried a new piece of DVD player....

What I understand is they repair the spoiled one and re circulate in the market..... ???

[M-1 Fan]

I have a ton of Behringer gear and I've never had a problem with any of it. *knocks on wood* Everything from microphones to effects to 24 channel mixers. Everything works great!

[Alndln2]

I know they've never been original, Not true, they started out with good intentions and their original product line was made in Germany with decent quality levels, but like a lot of companies they couldn't compete on that level so they opted for the replica's made in China for the lower end market, and the rest is history. :D

[lhm1138]

I like right under the middle picture on the Behringer site where they proudly proclaim..."THE NAMM 06 SHOW HAS STARTED!". What year are they living in?

Maybe they're going by the Chinese calendar?

I dunno.

[lhm1138]

I really like Behringer for live devices that are necessary but that you can't necessarily afford. Such as their DI boxes. The Virtualizer is pretty cool for the price as well.

[UstadKhanAli]

Not true, they started out with good intentions and their original product line was made in Germany with decent quality levels, but like a lot of companies they couldn't compete on that level so they opted for the replica's made in China for the lower end market, and the rest is history. :D

They were slapped with patent infringement lawsuit by Aphex in the early '90s. Behringer found that they couldn't xerox copy a decent design, so that's why they opted for the replicas made in China for the lower end market?

[blue2blue]

After the laughter has died down, and after we spend most of our cash on what we really want, how many will admit to buying that inexpensive thing that was really needed from............... :idea: :D (can't be that bad, if it breaks, it harldly cost anything anyway....) :D

I have no problems buying any Behringer product... that costs less than $60. (And, crazily, there are a few of them, including a USB audio interface [line lump stylie] with onboard zl or nzl monitoring. I mean, I'd almost buy THAT just to have it... It's, like under $40. THAT's where their REAL market ought to be.)

[UstadKhanAli]

I have no problems buying any Behringer product... that costs less than $60. (And, crazily, there are a few of them, including a USB audio interface [line lump stylie] with onboard zl or nzl monitoring. I mean, I'd almost buy THAT just to have it... It's, like under $40. THAT's where their REAL market ought to be.)

Especially if they start making motorcycles or computers or sumpin'... :D

[venkiee]

I personally had the following products from Behringer....like

Truth B 2031 (Paid a very high price, sold for peanuts)
Eurorack Mixer MX
ADA 8000 (This one is good)
Moduliser Pro (Dont know what it did..sounded the same even after plugging in)
Virtualiser Pro....same as above
....

The only problem is resale and workmanship, service....you must let it go for free or sell for peanuts...

May be for the next Winter NAMM, expect a Workstation for 1000 bucks killing all Fantom and Oasys...units...designed by some ST**** GAY of Behringer.....:D

[Alndln2]

They were slapped with patent infringement lawsuit by Aphex in the early '90s, so that's why they opted for the replicas made in China for the lower end market?That was around the time they decided to go the cheap route. Behringer started in the late 80's. I don't appreciate being put in the uncomfortable position of defending them for anything. :D

[Alndln2]

Especially if they start making motorcycles or computers or sumpin'... :D How about a Mercedes Behringer for under $300.00? :D

[venkiee]

How about a Mercedes Behringer for under $300.00? :D

:D :D

May be we call it like...

Behringeredes U series

:) 80 models available....:)

I'd be on the first booking list waiting outside Behringer's China Factory to take delivery... The keys must be presented to me by the CEO of Behringer (Mr. Uli B)....:thu:

[puretube]

cloned B*-clone... (http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?t=1509270)

[Terry_\m/_Naron]

i have a behringer amp,cab, and wah pedal.....the amp is ok, i think the cab is great (very loud) and the wah could use some more sweep range.....other than that its held up to my rough justice...and ive played in a club with it aproximatley 23 times....no failure....but then again im poor and would buy something else if i could afford it....(but i kinda like behringer....kinda ''root for the underdog'' thing..

[Terry_\m/_Naron]

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o281/blurggg/beh001.jpg

[cooterbrown]

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o281/blurggg/beh001.jpg

Dude...that tablecloth is hideous! ;)
And what's with the magazines between the amp and the cab?
Don't tell me the thing slides around when you're playing.

[Terry_\m/_Naron]

lol....nah.....im just a total neat freak and dont want the top of the cab to get scratched.....hey......im weird

[robare99]

So does it generally take one year or two to reverse engineer everone elses products?

:o

[MadSkillzMan]

Ive got the eurorak MX823 or somethin..the older 8 channel one, with knobs rather sliders

I love it! its completely quiet, preamps suck but what mixer has amazing ones?

I had the GMX212, and miss it dearly. My bro has the 65watt bass amp and its kicked ass live many times. So im one whos in the boat of having good luck

Though ive heard some of the recent stuff was real junk..so..i dont know

but if i have to choose a cheap peice of crap, ill take a behr over a crate

[Smokinfiddler]

Ive got the eurorak MX823 or somethin..the older 8 channel one, with knobs rather sliders

I love it! its completely quiet, preamps suck but what mixer has amazing ones?

I had the GMX212, and miss it dearly. My bro has the 65watt bass amp and its kicked ass live many times. So im one whos in the boat of having good luck

Though ive heard some of the recent stuff was real junk..so..i dont know

but if i have to choose a cheap peice of crap, ill take a behr over a crate
I have a Eurorack UB802that I use for playback recordings and practiceing with headphones. The little mixer has enough power to blow out my speaker if I run it through my little Peavey Max 126 I use for light practice but there is a lot of unwanted hissing noise when the sound levels are turned up.
pretty much a piece of crap but it works OK for what I initally bought it for which was basically for practicing with headphones to keep everyone in the neighborhood from calling the law:D

[Kid Klash]

The big buzz in the Behringer display at NAMM was their new series of all-tube guitar amps. They had stacks, as well as combos on display. Being a bit of a traditionalist brand snob (I own Fender, Marshall and Roland guitar amps), I didn't expect much, but I was very impressed with the way they sounded. They looked good too. Had an odd name (Bugera I think), not Behringer. They had a bunch of different versions (maybe most of the 80 new products they said they'd have), which covered a lot of sounds, from clean to high gain and everything in between. They had interesting model numbers too... very very suggestive of some well known and respected amps made by a major U.S. manufacturer. ;)

Anyway, If the build quality is good and the price is decent, they could have a home run product line.

[VanHalen]

Then my father told me about his adventures with a Behringer bass amp (the clone of, strangely enough, my bass amp, an Ashdown MAG300) that failed during a gig, and another piece of Behringer rack gear that failed after about a month.
My experience exactly. Music retailers get back more defective Behringer shit than any other brand, but because it sells a lot of volume (due to price gouging), they keep it on their racks. The bottom line is, you get what you pay for. If you want to hide away in your own basement studio and experiment with Behringer stuff - no harm, no foul. But if you need to rely on a piece of equipment to please an audience - stay the hell away from Behringer.

I wouldn't be caught dead with Behringer shit on my stage. Their NAMM booth was about as busy as Nady's. Nobody with any integrity wants to be seen at either of these booths. I am baffled at why people on bass forums post about how great Behringer is. They show off pictures of their big Behringer amp stacks. I laugh at them.

:thu:

[book_of_lies777]

I love my V-Amp2

[puretube]

Had an odd name (Bugera I think), not Behringer

it is helpful to know how this is pronounced in German (B*`s native tongue):

>Bug< as in: "Boogie",
>era< as in: "Rivera"...

Get the picture?

[venkiee]

Another piece of copied "poop" from Behringer....The chinese R&D Team in Behringer's china manufacturing unit are real smart a** ###les...!!!!

Can even clone a man....!!!

[Philter]

I have had a ddx3216 digital mixer for a couple of years now and I'm pretty happy with it for what I paid. When I bought it there was not a similar mixer anywhere near that price and I actually prefer it to the Yamaha digital mixers, which cost a lot more and have less features. It was exactly what I needed for a great price- how can you argue with that? It doesn't look like any other digital mixer to me, and in fact there are a lot of things about it that I much prefer to the alternatives, both functionally and superficially.

Oddly enough it also seems to be the one part of their product line where they are not developing anything new at all.

[ViLo]

Another piece of copied "poop" from Behringer....The chinese R&D Team in Behringer's china manufacturing unit are real smart a** ###les...!!!!

Can even clone a man....!!!

I understand and heard all the stories about Beh..... but I think some of you, or lots of you guys are just riding the gossip wagon and repeating what others said about it, and now everything that Beh manufactures is a copy of somebody elses design...............

I'm not defending Beh...I'm just saying that the old mackie, aphex etc. vs Beh stories are getting old.

In the case of the Bugera Guitar amp, Peavey, Crate etc have a similar design to a Marshall amp, and there;s lots of stuff on the market today that look similar to each other....So please if there's no new lawsuits stop using the old stories....If there's nw law suits, then carry on :D:D

[Terry_\m/_Naron]

I understand and heard all the stories about Beh..... but I think some of you, or lots of you guys are just riding the gossip wagon and repeating what others said about it, and now everything that Beh manufactures is a copy of somebody elses design...............

I'm not defending Beh...I'm just saying that the old mackie, aphex etc. vs Beh stories are getting old.

In the case of the Bugera Guitar amp, Peavey, Crate etc have a similar design to a Marshall amp, and there;s lots of stuff on the market today that look similar to each other....So please if there's no new lawsuits stop using the old stories....If there's nw law suits, then carry on :D:D


+1

[larryguitar]

I understand and heard all the stories about Beh..... but I think some of you, or lots of you guys are just riding the gossip wagon and repeating what others said about it, and now everything that Beh manufactures is a copy of somebody elses design...............

I'm not defending Beh...I'm just saying that the old mackie, aphex etc. vs Beh stories are getting old.

In the case of the Bugera Guitar amp, Peavey, Crate etc have a similar design to a Marshall amp, and there;s lots of stuff on the market today that look similar to each other....So please if there's no new lawsuits stop using the old stories....If there's nw law suits, then carry on :D:D


I imagine some of the Behringer hate comes from people who bought the original products, and now get angry that 'their' gizmo is available as a Behringer clone for 1/3 the price.


Larry

[ViLo]

http://cachemi.samedaymusic.com/media/fit,325by400/brand,sameday/GT3500H_GT412SLHalfStack-4429491bdbbf52fb214d4915c408fe10.jpg
http://cachepe.zzounds.com/media/fit,325by400/brand,zzounds/100hdfxL-af366a51e696f451c994349362a17c95.jpg
http://www.axemusic.com/Pictures/peavey_triplexxx412-slant.jpg

[killersoundz]

i have the v-amp pro rackmount and it owns. i have the Behringer B1 condensor mic and it also owns. I used to have the Behringer V-ampire head and one of their 4x12 cabs. It was okay for the price. much better choice then the low end marshall or crate amps atleast

[Agreed]

Behringer's products don't suck. No one buys a Behringer saying "This will be the last thing I own :D," we all know they're not going to hang around forever and pretty much everyone gets them to fill a need until a better item can be purchased. And, honestly, I've had good experiences with their customer support.

I have a set of B2031A powered monitors that make great hi-fi speakers on a budget, and can be used to mix with as well, though the flatness is debatable - I'd say probably +/-5, not exactly Dynaudio we're talking here. They match very well with their B2029A subwoofer, which I also have.

For music, gaming, and home theater attached to a computer it's a hell of a setup on a hell of a budget. I've had them for three years, no problems out of them that weren't my fault. I blew one of the tweeters, and Behringer repaired it at a service center for free though I paid shipping to the location; then, on the way back, it was damaged due to the service center's rather inept shippers - strictly cosmetic damage, one of the corners was flattened about half an inch and the removable power cords were severed. They offered me a full RMA for a new, not refurbished but brand new pair of them. I declined, but they kept the offer open for a year.

So, good experience there. However, I bought each of these items knowing that it's a Behringer and it won't last forever, and willing to pay the price if they die. In the meantime - and it's been years without problems - I've got excellent value, servicable gear.

$300 buys a crappy multimedia home-theater-in-a-box set of Klipsch Promedia Ultra or Logitech Z-5500 or whatever the crap of the day is. Boomy, poorly tuned frequency response, phase problems out the ass, sometimes no crossover. Or, it buys a pair of B2031A monitors with hi-fi frequency response and studio applications. Not a tough choice :)

[MadSkillzMan]

i have the flat 4x12 and i love it

Anyways, i hope those tube amps arent a replica of their recent LED lit tube preamps, or crates NEW blue voodoo with the twinkle light backlight power tubes

I buy behr gear trying to get a better deal. I have NO problems repairing a cheaper unit, or buying something from them with the intention on ripping out the cheap parts and replacing with better ones ..i do the same with MXL mic's

Now wheni buy something expensive and it craps out, then i feel its only right that all hell breaks loose

[Kid Klash]

For anyone that's curious, here's a link to the Bugera site : http://www.bugera-amps.com/index.cfm?showMainPage



:)

[ViLo]

Long Live Uli! Long Live Uli! Long Live Uli!! :D:D:D:D

[chu2]

Long Live Uli! Long Live Uli! Long Live Uli!! :d:d:d:d

\m/ 0 \m/

Behringer is teh rawk!

:thu:

[HKSblade1]

Tough Decisions for GAS- New JVM :thu: or try the Bugeras :rolleyes:

[book_of_lies777]

Marshall ripped off Fender way back when, so all the crap about Behringer stealing designs is the pot calling the kettle black - look how many variations there are on Strats, Teles, Les Pauls, etc... if they can put out a similar product at a better price, maybe we should be asking why OTHER dealers charge so much for their gear, huh?

If a product sucks it will rightfully disappear off the shelves - if it's good, then people should give it the credit it has earned, despite the brand name.

[Kid Klash]

Tough Decisions for GAS- New JVM :thu: or try the Bugeras :rolleyes:

Well, as I wrote earlier, I'm a bit of a "name brand" snob, and if I hadn't actually seen and heard the Bugera amps at NAMM, I wouldn't have given it a second thought. But I was impressed, and that is saying a lot. Don't take anyone's word for it - go try one out and decide for yourself. If you do try one out, post your impressions of it, and also post the price they were asking for it.

[HKSblade1]

Will do! Knowing behringer the amp's prolly wont make a dealer until 4th qtr :rolleyes:

[Surrealistic Brillo]

Say what you will, Behringer TROUNCED Boss' pathetic offerings this year by re-issuing in-demand Boss pedals that have been going for big bucks (and some for not so big bucks) on eBay. If Boss had really been paying attention to what's been going on in the market, they should have released those pedals themselves.

Boss should be embarrassed and ashamed that they were upstaged by Behringer this year. :o

[Surrealistic Brillo]

The big buzz in the Behringer display at NAMM was their new series of all-tube guitar amps. They had stacks, as well as combos on display. Being a bit of a traditionalist brand snob (I own Fender, Marshall and Roland guitar amps), I didn't expect much, but I was very impressed with the way they sounded. They looked good too. Had an odd name (Bugera I think), not Behringer. They had a bunch of different versions (maybe most of the 80 new products they said they'd have), which covered a lot of sounds, from clean to high gain and everything in between. They had interesting model numbers too... very very suggestive of some well known and respected amps made by a major U.S. manufacturer. ;)

Anyway, If the build quality is good and the price is decent, they could have a home run product line.

They're all clones of Peavey amps...the 5150 and the Triple X. You can tell by their model numbers (they're not even really trying to hide it) and their designs.

[book_of_lies777]

They're all clones of Peavey amps...the 5150 and the Triple X. You can tell by their model numbers (they're not even really trying to hide it) and their designs.



so? The first Marshall was a copy of a Fender amp... :bor:

[jimosity]

I have a V-Amp Pro; it's not a bad unit at all.
Sometimes I think it has better tones than my Pod XT Pro; which is somewhat of a competitor I'd say. ...and for the price, the V-Amp Pro crushes the Pod XT Pro.

It totally destroys the Pod Pro I used to have.
Paired up with the FCB1010, which I love, it's a powerful unit with a great CC wah.

But; I know that it's a lower end piece of gear and doesn't come close to the feel and warmth of some of my tube gear; but for what it is; it's good at it.

I love the FCB1010 foot controllers; I still prefer it over most other midi controllers, especially when needing CC capabilities.

I helped a buddy of mine shop for a guitar/amp for his son and he didn't want to spend a bunch of money; so when we looked at cheap amps (under $100) for a beginner; the store had Behringer, Marshall, Fender, Crate, and one other I can't remember...

The Marshall sucked the biggest balls ever.
The Fender was second in line behind the Marshall.
The Crate did nothing for me.
The Behringer actually sounded damn good and had more than one channel.
For a $79 amp with two channels and a damn good built in distortion, he couldn't have went wrong. It was a better tone than I had when I started out with my Peavey Bandit 65 and a distortion pedal; that's for sure.

I have a Behringer 16 channel rackmount mixer that has performed perfectly for me over the last 4 or 5 years; so I can't complain about that either.
It's not quite as good as my Mackie CFX16, but it's still a good unit.

I hear that their direct boxes are good too.
Behringer isn't for everybody; but when you're looking for something half way decent and you just don't have lots of cash; it's better than a lot of other things in the price range.

[No_Direction]

Anyone know what the price of these amps are gonna be?

[book_of_lies777]

Anyone know what the price of these amps are gonna be?

here ya go:

http://www.behringer.com/02_products/pricelistDetails.cfm?lang=ENG&cid=US&pbrand=1

these are MSRP, so they'll actually be cheaper street-price.

[No_Direction]

Cheers man :thu:

[Surrealistic Brillo]

so? The first Marshall was a copy of a Fender amp... :bor:

So nothing...I'm just pointing it out. Chill. :)

[Kid Klash]

When digging through the Bugera site, I found this :

Red Chip Company Ltd.
Trident Chambers
Wickhams Cay
P.O. Box 146
Road Town, Tortola
British Virgin Islands
Tel: +65 6845 1800

I wonder if the amps are made in the British Virgin Islands? I-ree mon! We gonna reggae the night away!

[RobRoy]

Dont buy it for God sake.....A friend of mine was using it for recording Indian Percussion which...the mike got blast off (low intensity..like a popping) while recording...

Also On a live gig I was playing, a Eurodesk mixer died when the Guest Speaker was speaking......:freak:

With three separate bands on three separate occasions I've had Mackie mixers die. I learned in the early 80's, with the exception of televisions, that Sony gear is crap. I sold it for years before I had to admit that. I was just so enamored with their TV's that I was ingoring what was right in front of me.

I am amazed, when I go to shows, both pro and otherwise, just how many Behringer compressors I see. I've heard people say "Behringer is crap - except for their compressors." I dunno. I think there is a LOT of name brand low quality out there.

[Stink Monkey]

I've been amazed at theamount of Behringer stuff I've seen at shows. Last Local concert I was at a Yamaha mixer died and the local sound guy whipped out his 'spare' a behringer.

[RobRoy]

I've been amazed at theamount of Behringer stuff I've seen at shows. Last Local concert I was at a Yamaha mixer died and the local sound guy whipped out his 'spare' a behringer.
I'm slowly building up a supply of Behringer stuff off craigslist. You think it is cheap new?!!!

So far, so good.:thu:

[chu2]

With three separate bands on three separate occasions I've had Mackie mixers die. I learned in the early 80's, with the exception of televisions, that Sony gear is crap.



+1 on the Sony. Technics is where it's always been at.

But I do have a pair of sony earbuds that I got for $40 (rip off, I know.). They sound good, considering I was thinking about buying a pair of IEM's for $250 which would've blown my budget and I'd only use them for listening to tunes from my cd player. That's right, CD PLAYER! MP3's ruin sound quality, so I stay old school until I can upload in CD/.WAV quality.:o

[RobRoy]

+1 on the Sony. Technics is where it's always been at.

But I do have a pair of sony earbuds that I got for $40 (rip off, I know.). They sound good, considering I was thinking about buying a pair of IEM's for $250 which would've blown my budget and I'd only use them for listening to tunes from my cd player. That's right, CD PLAYER! MP3's ruin sound quality, so I stay old school until I can upload in CD/.WAV quality.:o

I hate to say it, but I heard about those. I listened to a friends and they were better than my $100 super-fi's.

[RobRoy]

+1 on the Sony. Technics is where it's always been at.

But I do have a pair of sony earbuds that I got for $40 (rip off, I know.). They sound good, considering I was thinking about buying a pair of IEM's for $250 which would've blown my budget and I'd only use them for listening to tunes from my cd player. That's right, CD PLAYER! MP3's ruin sound quality, so I stay old school until I can upload in CD/.WAV quality.:o

I like MP3's as long as I keep the bit rate above 160. Especially since I mainly use them for in the car, working around the house, learning bass riffs and vocals for my band and, heck, even over my Sennheiser headphones at work, come to think of it. I will admit that it is pretty obvious when a 128k song comes on.

But heck, since my audiophile days I've been a little more about the quality of the music and a little less about the quality of the stereo reproducing said music. I still have some INCREDIBLE sounding direct-to-disc vinyl recordings of PURE CRAP from the late 70's, if you get my drift.;)

[cole3]

My name is Cole Honest, and i want to make enquiries about this item for my client which is interested in immediate purchase of this item and is ready to pay through Money order or cashier check. Before the check will be sent to you i want to tell you that it will be including some extra amount on the check which is meant for the shipping of this item to the buyer destination. After you deduct your money You will send the remaining money to the shipping company immediately in other to come for the pick up faster.If all this is understood by you get back to me with your full name,address,phone number and where to send the check to immediately.hope To hear from you soon.THANKS.

[Gregidon]

+1 on the Sony. Technics is where it's always been at.

But I do have a pair of sony earbuds that I got for $40 (rip off, I know.). They sound good, considering I was thinking about buying a pair of IEM's for $250 which would've blown my budget and I'd only use them for listening to tunes from my cd player. That's right, CD PLAYER! MP3's ruin sound quality, so I stay old school until I can upload in CD/.WAV quality.:o

AAC lossless is CD quality. If you don't like AAC, there are other codecs around that are lossless (i think windows offers one).

I bought a pair of sony earbuds. BTW you can jury-rig the foamies from E2's onto the sonys and they sound that much better, FTW!

My name is Cole Honest, and i want to make enquiries about this item for my client which is interested in immediate purchase of this item and is ready to pay through Money order or cashier check. Before the check will be sent to you i want to tell you that it will be including some extra amount on the check which is meant for the shipping of this item to the buyer destination. After you deduct your money You will send the remaining money to the shipping company immediately in other to come for the pick up faster.If all this is understood by you get back to me with your full name,address,phone number and where to send the check to immediately.hope To hear from you soon.THANKS.

Go to hell

[rm100tubehead]

Behringer products are cheap and many are cheaply made. Ive tried the fcb1010 midi foot controller and it was brilliant. Then I bought a Ultra Metal distortion box and it was crap.

[chu2]

AAC lossless is CD quality. If you don't like AAC, there are other codecs around that are lossless (i think windows offers one).

I bought a pair of sony earbuds. BTW you can jury-rig the foamies from E2's onto the sonys and they sound that much better, FTW!



Go to hell

I retort the go to hell!:mad:

But thanks for the tip on the 'buds, man. I'll have to try it.
:)


And it's just that I like having a hard copy of my music, too, not just the loss of quality. I guess I'm just paranoid.....and cheap:freak:

[Gregidon]

I retort the go to hell!:mad:

But thanks for the tip on the 'buds, man. I'll have to try it.
:)


And it's just that I like having a hard copy of my music, too, not just the loss of quality. I guess I'm just paranoid.....and cheap:freak:

I hear you on having the hardcopy... except in my case I keep the hardcopy in a binder at my house so I can't lose it. No worries, also I am very impressed with the sonys with foamies. It makes you wonder why sony doesn't include foamies with the set.... (my guess it price)

[KingDiamond]

I was at GC the other day and the salesman there that I usually buy from said that he hates the Behringer stuff. He says they never sound out a company rep to their store to teach them about the new products like the other big companies do. He also says that Behringer will now replace any broken product for free with a new one because it's cheaper for them to replace the products instead of repairing them.

I guess Behringer is kinda hit or miss. I had two Eurorack mixers, one is a couple years old and works perfectly and I use it almost daily for recording. The other one, which my band uses for the PA, has a broken multi-effects unit and some of the knobs don't work anymore. I also have a Behringer EP2500 amp and we've been using it daily with our PA system for almost a year and no problems. I think that thing is built like a brick though because similar amps from other companies weigh half as much as that thing.

I also have the Behringer Truth B2031A monitors in the studio and they sound great and have no problems and they're two years old. They B2031A even got a really good review from Sound On Sound magazine which compared that set of monitors to a bunch of others and the B2031A got second place in the roundup.

I will probably never buy another Behringer mixer again, because their knobs seem to be the biggest fault. Also I am trying to buy all my gear made in the USA (or anything not from an Asian country) nowadays so I probably won't be buying Behringer stuff in the future.

[chu2]

I was at GC the other day and the salesman there that I usually buy from said that he hates the Behringer stuff. He says they never sound out a company rep to their store to teach them about the new products like the other big companies do. He also says that Behringer will now replace any broken product for free with a new one because it's cheaper for them to replace the products instead of repairing them.

I guess Behringer is kinda hit or miss. I had two Eurorack mixers, one is a couple years old and works perfectly and I use it almost daily for recording. The other one, which my band uses for the PA, has a broken multi-effects unit and some of the knobs don't work anymore. I also have a Behringer EP2500 amp and we've been using it daily with our PA system for almost a year and no problems. I think that thing is built like a brick though because similar amps from other companies weigh half as much as that thing.

I also have the Behringer Truth B2031A monitors in the studio and they sound great and have no problems and they're two years old. They B2031A even got a really good review from Sound On Sound magazine which compared that set of monitors to a bunch of others and the B2031A got second place in the roundup.

I will probably never buy another Behringer mixer again, because their knobs seem to be the biggest fault. Also I am trying to buy all my gear made in the USA (or anything not from an Asian country) nowadays so I probably won't be buying Behringer stuff in the future.

Thing is, pretty much every object is hit-or-miss.

I know of studios who've been using the same soundboards since the 60's (Abbey road comes to mind).

On the other hand, ten years back my school brought a brand-new EV 27-channel mixer with the works. Only three or four channels actually work today after being used 1-2 times a eyar for the past few.

:confused:

[book_of_lies777]

I wanna build a 100% Behringer rack guitar rig this year.

:wave: :p

[TuMadre]

I hear that their direct boxes are good too.
Behringer isn't for everybody; but when you're looking for something half way decent and you just don't have lots of cash; it's better than a lot of other things in the price range.

The only Behringer gear I own are 4 DI boxes (the red ones with the amp simulation). I saw them at a pawn shop for $10 each, so I figured for the price of 1 Whirlwind box, I could get 4 and expect at least 2 of them to work. Instead they all 4 worked perfectly and I've been using them for several years without fail. The amp simulation even works as intended.

Still, I'm afraid to purchase anything substantial from them simply because of reported failure rates.

[ViLo]

Still, I'm afraid to purchase anything substantial from them simply because of reported failure rates.

I wonder how many of those reports are true.....:blah: :blah:

[HKSblade1]

Not so bad. I have some B stuff and it works great

2496
1600
32 ch board Home jams.
Virtualizer in a pa.
2031A mon's

never had an issue. I do have an A/H mixer for pa.

[venkiee]

Being the starter of this thread, It's surprising to see that 5 pages of posts (Good, Bad & Ugly kind'a).....

Are there any Behringer guys reading this thread ??

[ViLo]

Being the starter of this thread, It's surprising to see that 5 pages of posts (Good, Bad & Ugly kind'a).....

Are there any Behringer guys reading this thread ??
Maybe we need to invite them in..........Don't you think?

And since you are the starter of the thread, go ahead invite Behringer in:p :D :thu:

[axemanchris]

I have a few Behringer items in my recording rig. They're decent products for the money. In fact, for the money, you totally can't touch 'em. A lot of the rhetoric about their products breaking down is just that - rhetoric. I've had one Behringer thing crap out on me, and that was about a week after I got it home. I took it back to the store, who gave me an identical working unit as a loaner while mine got sent back to be repaired. Mine came back repaired and has been fine ever since - that was about 2.5 years ago. No issues with that company at all.

I have:
mixer - 2442FX-PRO
mics - ecm8000 (2 of them)
X-Vamp (yes, I even use it minimally for gigging)
compressor (Composer Pro 2400)
headphone amp ( Power play Pro something-or-other)
DI-20 - yes used for gigging on occasion

I have used all of those products in some way or another on our album and have had no complaints about sound quality. Generally the comments about the sound quality are along the lines of "you recorded that in your rec-room?" in a tone suggesting disbelief.

Can you get better stuff? OF course you can. But you'll pay at least twice as much for it.

Chris

[venkiee]

Maybe we need to invite them in..........Don't you think?

And since you are the starter of the thread, go ahead invite Behringer in:p :D :thu:

I already sent a mail to Uli..will be answered soon.....:blah: :blah: :thu:

[venkiee]

My name is Cole Honest, and i want to make enquiries about this item for my client which is interested in immediate purchase of this item and is ready to pay through Money order or cashier check. Before the check will be sent to you i want to tell you that it will be including some extra amount on the check which is meant for the shipping of this item to the buyer destination. After you deduct your money You will send the remaining money to the shipping company immediately in other to come for the pick up faster.If all this is understood by you get back to me with your full name,address,phone number and where to send the check to immediately.hope To hear from you soon.THANKS.


Go to China to Behringer Factory and pussy around there....with your check and fuc..:blah: :blah:

[Alndln2]

Go to China to Behringer Factory Right across the street from the Mackie Factory, next door to the Alesis Fatory, around the corner from........................

[venkiee]

Those who have too much of Behringer gear...some of you mentioned here in this thread...better change your user ID to Behringer too...:lol: :lol:

[omni]

Right across the street from the Mackie Factory, next door to the Alesis Fatory, around the corner from........................

Yup.:thu:

[rushtallica]

100th post, baby. :o

[venkiee]

Thanks for all the Poop & Crap & compliments...fellow Behringer Comrades !! Keep throwing your comments on us to improve (??) further..

- Ulrich Behringer

:lol: :lol:

Received the reply from Big B...for this thread...:confused:

[dangerous dan]

Right across the street from the Mackie Factory, next door to the Alesis Fatory, around the corner from........................

Out of interest, where abouts in China is the factory ? I'm of to China again soon on business just wondering if it will be in one of the cities I'mvisiting.

[puretube]

Behringer City (http://www.behringer.com/01_news/pr_detail.cfm?lang=eng&prid=256) (no joke!) :eek:

[ocnor]

Behringer City (http://www.behringer.com/01_news/pr_detail.cfm?lang=eng&prid=256) (no joke!) :eek:

The description of Behringer City lists :"several dormitories, a library, recreation facilities and on-site medical assistance". Other than armed guards doesn't that pretty much describe a prison?

[dangerous dan]

The description of Behringer City lists :"several dormitories, a library, recreation facilities and on-site medical assistance". Other than armed guards doesn't that pretty much describe a prison?

This is pretty normal for any large western (or local chinese) company that manufactures in China. The company pay for everything for the employee... food, accomodation, trasnport etc.... all the west can have their latest mp3, dvd, mobile phone etc. for cheap.

It's quite ironic that Cheny is having a go a China for increasing its miliary spenduing yet American consumers are ultimately what is fueling it.

I've seen the iPod factory campus, absolutely enormous, it "houses" about 15-20,000 workers.

[HKSblade1]

have to say in the last 5yrs Behringer has stepped it up. Just had a TC electronics processor go down two days ago. Broken jacks on the pc foils and a bad IC I'm told. 35 days OOW. TC will not auth warr repair. It happens to everybody I'm sure. Was it a QC problem? Don't know do we? Even the so called better hi dollar units can go down :rolleyes:

Our vocalist uses the TC Helicon and the switches on the foot controller broke after 2 months. It is QC or big heavy boots he wears? :cool:

[FPFL]

Right across the street from the Mackie Factory, next door to the Alesis Fatory, around the corner from........................

Funny, the Mackie mixer in front of me says "Made in the USA" and the manual even tells you where in Washington State. Quality and pride in good workmanship isn't dead in America and elsewhere. Its just harder to find.

Pretending like things are all made in China is either laughable ignorance or just a cop out.

-P

[HKSblade1]

It is hard to find. I was disappointed when I heard people taking Mackies apart and finding Made in _ _ _ _ _ (not USA). Assembled-yes

[venkiee]

FYI, All Mackie, Digidesign (Protools) and TC electronics Stuffs are all made in China. Yamaha MG series Mixers are made in Taiwan.

It doesnt mean that China produces inferior quality as even Sony TV's are made there. It all depends on the quality control and the quality of technicians you employ in these manufacturing....

An old Chinese proverb says "You pay peanuts...., you get monkeys only"

[HKSblade1]

From what I know of these products they work just fine. Those factory cities are incredible. people laugh about them here, but that's how most of their daddy's grew up. When I was in Cleve Oh, each suburb was setup around a factory. GM or Ford, Nasa, Alcoa, US Steel. That doesn't include all the smaller factories that made parts for those companies. So why would the Chinese and other overseas facilities be any different? My TV's, Monitors, PC's are made over seas. Probably 70% of the things in my house are! My Sceptre monitor looks like a DELL. Probably a knockoff. It works well though :D

[Torkelboy]

i hate behringer! I gladly spend twice the amount of money to get ampeg or ebs!

I don't dislike cheap stuff in general though.

[RuffJazzRecords]

We call a friend of mine "Double Buy" because he buys Behringer and then has top re-buy the same product from another manufacturer when the behringer takes a shit...:freak:

[JSutter]

It is and always will be hit or miss for any company. Out of all the Behringer stuff I have used or owned only one has pissed me off. Its the Distortion+, DS-1, RAT distortion box. They sound like the intended pedal (I a/b the DS-1 and DIST+) but the in comming signal clipped like crazy with my HB pickups, so I dont use it. All my other Behringer pedals work fine and do their job great for the money. The Virtualizer Pro and Composer Pro worked out well for my old band's singer.

I have had many DOD/Digitech pedals shit the bed with their stupid switches. I have had to replace parts on a few other effects over the years also. Nothing last forever and you usually get what you pay for.

[C JoGo]

Hard to find a piece of gear >> under $200 ~~ that will do all the functions of a DEQ 2496 ...Behringer fits our needs, in that price range of goods ....never had any problems with their HA 4700...even the large desk/mixing boards, we had many years back ^

[puretube]

Behringer City (http://www.behringer.com/01_news/pr_detail.cfm?lang=eng&prid=256) (no joke!) :eek:


Take a B*-City-Tour... (http://www.audiotechnology.com.au/behringer.html)