Tube Amp vs Digital Model

[the otter]

What do you guys think?

and has anything surpassed a POD in the modelling field?

:confused:

:o

[skippydmongoose]

Originally posted by warped666
What do you guys think?

and has anything surpassed a POD in the modelling field?

:confused:

:o Surpass? It all sounds like a canned fart.

(actually the clean bf model isn't that bad)

[Stonedtone]

well now, this topic has never been addressed here. What are these model things you speak of :confused:

[MrKnobs]

Originally posted by warped666
What do you guys think?

and has anything surpassed a POD in the modelling field?

:confused:

:o

Personally, I think a Roland VG-88 sounds much better than a POD.

But neither one sounds anything like a tube amp.

Terry D.

[Trent Bale]

Tubes wear out. Digital lasts. Most can't tell the differance anyways. Tube amp lovers live a lie. Fools.

[skippydmongoose]

Originally posted by Stonedtone
well now, this topic has never been addressed here. What are these model things you speak of :confused: :thu: :D

[Stonedtone]

Originally posted by Trent Bale
Tubes wear out. Digital lasts. Most can't tell the differance anyways. Tube amp lovers live a lie. Fools.

STFU nOOb. take it to the sterile sound board :mad:

[skippydmongoose]

Originally posted by MrKnobs


Personally, I think a Roland VG-88 sounds much better than a POD.

But neither one sounds anything like a tube amp.

Terry D. Yep. You cannot achieve the OD sounds that a tube amp gets with a digital box. Some cleans are ok, but not tube warm.

[Trent Bale]

Originally posted by Stonedtone


STFU nOOb. take it to the sterile sound board :mad:

May be a noob, but at least I know what I'm talking about. Maybe you might listen to those who know more? Let me guess, you own several tube amps? :rolleyes:

[the otter]

Originally posted by MrKnobs


Personally, I think a Roland VG-88 sounds much better than a POD.

But neither one sounds anything like a tube amp.

Terry D.

I sold my VG-88

The guitar models were fun...although underused (by me) , but I didn't like the amp models at all.

[the otter]

Originally posted by Stonedtone
well now, this topic has never been addressed here. What are these model things you speak of :confused:

use google.


learn something

[the otter]

Originally posted by skippydmongoose
Yep. You cannot achieve the OD sounds that a tube amp gets with a digital box. Some cleans are ok, but not tube warm.


not even one is trying to get that shitty SRV tone, ever thing about that?

:o

I like metallic distortion

[MrKnobs]

Originally posted by Trent Bale
Tubes wear out. Digital lasts. Most can't tell the differance anyways. Tube amp lovers live a lie. Fools.

Lasts? Today's amazing digital box will be worthless junk in two years like the stuff designed two years ago is today. When you buy a modeler, ANY modeler, you'd better really like the sound because you're not going to be able to resell that thing once the next "breakthrough" comes out.

It's exactly analagous to buying a computer.

On the other hand, I had an old Fender Twin I bought in 1972 for $75. Wish I had that thing today, it would fetch quite a nice price.

Terry D.

[the otter]

Originally posted by MrKnobs


Lasts? Today's amazing digital box will be worthless junk in two years like the stuff designed two years ago is today. When you buy a modeler, ANY modeler, you'd better really like the sound because you're not going to be able to resell that thing once the next "breakthrough" comes out.

It's exactly analagous to buying a computer.

On the other hand, I had an old Fender Twin I bought in 1972 for $75. Wish I had that thing today, it would fetch quite a nice price.

Terry D.

maybe... maybe not.

companies can go out of business and BAM! price jump

[Shai Hulud]

I'm so tired of arguing about this.

PODs and modelers work for me. I don't give a shit if cork-sniffer, tube snobs like skippy think they sound like shit.... because they sound good to me.

[JoshuaTSP]

I think a modeler can sound decent if it's tweeked properly.

Some things just work better for certain people.......have it be digital or analog.:thu:

[the otter]

Originally posted by Shai Hulud
I'm so tired of arguing about this.

PODs and modelers work for me. I don't give a shit if cork-sniffer, tube snobs like skippy think they sound like shit.... because they sound good to me.

then move along

:o


what do you think of tube amps?

[Trent Bale]

Originally posted by MrKnobs


Lasts? Today's amazing digital box will be worthless junk in two years like the stuff designed two years ago is today. When you buy a modeler, ANY modeler, you'd better really like the sound because you're not going to be able to resell that thing once the next "breakthrough" comes out.

It's exactly analagous to buying a computer.

On the other hand, I had an old Fender Twin I bought in 1972 for $75. Wish I had that thing today, it would fetch quite a nice price.

Terry D.

If you look at your music gear as a means to make money through merchandising it, great for you. If the only reason you think tube amps are better than digital ones is this queer notion of yours, then ok - you are not serious about music.

I dont buy your pc analogy - it's completely fallacious. You don't need to 'upgrade' as you maintain, though, in many cases, the digital amps can be uploaded with better systems. So in that sense, not only are they much more flexible devices, but many units can be improved over time. Stuff that in your tweed.

[MrKnobs]

Originally posted by warped666


maybe... maybe not.

companies can go out of business and BAM! price jump

I don't think this has ever happened in the area of amp modelers. :confused:

I can think of some other artifical electronic devices that have had this sort of phenomenon, the Roland 808 drum machine comes to mind. Of course the end to that came pretty quickly as people just sampled the 808, no need for the actual machine anymore.

Terry D.

[Shai Hulud]

Originally posted by warped666


what do you think of tube amps?

IMO, If somebody needs one or two tones (clean, overdrive), then tube amps are great.

But... if someone needs MANY different types of clean and overdriven tones... then modelers are the way to go.

I like to use different sounding overdrives and clean tones.. depending on what the song is calling for. This is why I prefer the diversity of modelers over the 1-trick pony tube amps.

I'm sorry, but you can't make a Mesa sound like a Marshall... a Marshall sound like a Fender... a Fender sound like a Roland... a Roland sound like a Soldano....a Soldano sound like a Diezel,etc.

[:mad::love:]

Originally posted by Trent Bale
Tubes wear out. Digital lasts. Most can't tell the differance anyways. Tube amp lovers live a lie. Fools.


yeah good point. tube amps don't last 50+ years or anything.

[the otter]

Originally posted by JoshuaTSP
I think a modeler can sound decent if it's tweeked properly.

Some things just work better for certain people.......have it be digital or analog.:thu:


currently, I don't have a tube amp... and if decided to get one it would be for clean

I like the sound of digital :o

I used a GP-8 into a GP-16 (both roland) for my guitar tone..many years ago.. but it was static goodness and perfect for the industrial stuff I was doing :o

not everyone is an SRV wannabe.. I don't need, or own a Fender gutiar and amp.

Like synths... I like the "virtual"analog sound a lot... and real analog has it's place, it sjut kind of depends

[:mad::love:]

Originally posted by Shai Hulud
I'm so tired of arguing about this.

PODs and modelers work for me. I don't give a shit if cork-sniffer, tube snobs like skippy think they sound like shit.... because they sound good to me.


don't tell anbody i said this, but i suspect the pod might be the best possible tool for the job in a home recording application.

certainly the simplest way to get a good sound.
mic'ing a tube amp can be problematic and inconsistent, a pod is plug and play.

[the otter]

Originally posted by MrKnobs


I don't think this has ever happened in the area of amp modelers. :confused:

I can think of some other artifical electronic devices that have had this sort of phenomenon, the Roland 808 drum machine comes to mind. Of course the end to that came pretty quickly as people just sampled the 808, no need for the actual machine anymore.

Terry D.

I was thinkinga bout synth as I typed that... sorry is the dual personality thing...

synths, guitars... :o

your 808 comments arealittle off ,but well.. .you're a guitar player, so you're excused :o

the 808's sound source is not digital... it's analog based...

[MrKnobs]

Originally posted by Trent Bale


If you look at your music gear as a means to make money through merchandising it, great for you. If the only reason you think tube amps are better than digital ones is this queer notion of yours, then ok - you are not serious about music.

I don't think anything's "better" than anything else, because "better" is subjective. In fact 9/10s of all shows I play I use a Roland VG-88, because it's (a) good enough, (b) gets decent sounds at a low volume level, (c) lets me use alternate tunings at the press of a button, and (d) is a hell of lot lighter than my BadCat tube amps.

All I've ever said on here is that modelers don't sound very much like tube amps. Which one you prefer is up to you. :)

I dont buy your pc analogy - it's completely fallacious. You don't need to 'upgrade' as you maintain, though, in many cases, the digital amps can be uploaded with better systems. So in that sense, not only are they much more flexible devices, but many units can be improved over time. Stuff that in your tweed.

You're improving my analogy, not refuting it. :D

You don't need to upgrade a computer - ever! So long as you run the same software on it you did when you bought it, and are satisfied with the same performance, you can keep on using it until it dies and then continue reparing it until you can't get parts anymore.

Same thing with digital modelers.

But you're saying digital modelers are more flexible than computers? If so, that just might be the most bizarre thing I've ever read on the Internet! :D

*edit* I guess you're saying digital modelers are more flexible than tube amps. If so, true enough, but really they can only be upgraded a little bit before their product cycle is over. They're not really very upgradeable at all.




Terry D.

[Shai Hulud]

Originally posted by :mad::love:



don't tell anbody i said this, but i suspect the pod might be the best possible tool for the job in a home recording application.

certainly the simplest way to get a good sound.
mic'ing a tube amp can be problematic and inconsistent, a pod is plug and play.

Agree..... I've had the POD 2.0 for over 6 years now...and I've used it MORE than any other device in my home studio. :o

The Bass POD would come in a close 2nd place. :o

[the otter]

Originally posted by Shai Hulud


Agree..... I've had the POD 2.0 for over 6 years now...and I've used it MORE than any other device in my home studio. :o

The Bass POD would come in a close 2nd place. :o


I use Vision more than anything

:(

RIP Opcode

:o

:(

[Trent Bale]

Take that snotty attitude somewhere else. Don't get on my bad side.

[the otter]

Originally posted by Trent Bale
Take that snotty attitude somewhere else. Don't get on my bad side.

*checks out mr.sassy pants*

Bad side?

girlfriend.. you is lookin' sweet from all directions!

*does chicken neck*

:o

[MrKnobs]

Originally posted by :mad::love:



don't tell anbody i said this, but i suspect the pod might be the best possible tool for the job in a home recording application.

If the application is putting down a scratch track in a hurry, well, maybe. But only if a better modeler isn't available.

certainly the simplest way to get a good sound.

It's a simple way to get a mediocre sound, IMO.

mic'ing a tube amp can be problematic and inconsistent, a pod is plug and play.

It's really a lot harder to mike a tube amp (well) than most people think, you're definitely right about that.

I prefer plug and play also, just not completely satisfied with the results any of the modelers I've heard get. I don't *enjoy* carrying heavy tube amps around, and I find it quite annoying that the best sound available from a 15 watt tube amp happens at a volume level that's too loud for a small club.

And I find it even *more annoying* that if you buy a small amp that gets it's best slightly overdriven sound at a reasonable level, that same amp won't have enough headroom to play a punchy clean sound. :cry:



Terry D.

[BigWood]

I like pumpkin pie...


:wave:

[Robin]

Originally posted by Stonedtone


STFU nOOb. take it to the sterile sound board :mad:

That didn't take long :D

[MrKnobs]

Originally posted by warped666


I was thinkinga bout synth as I typed that... sorry is the dual personality thing...

synths, guitars... :o

your 808 comments arealittle off ,but well.. .you're a guitar player, so you're excused :o

the 808's sound source is not digital... it's analog based...

I know how the 808 works, I used to own one. Wish I hadn't sold that too...

So correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm saying in certain genres of music right now people are using some of the 808 sounds. The 808 was analog, but lots of people have sampled the 808 and are using the samples.

Terry D.

[Wes_Powell]

Two words.

Vox Valvetronix.

:)

-wp

[Kin Corn Karn]

Originally posted by Wes_Powell
Two words.

Vox Valvetronix.

:)

-wp
Stonedtone will be glad to see that :D

[Robin]

Originally posted by MrKnobs


On the other hand, I had an old Fender Twin I bought in 1972 for $75. Wish I had that thing today, it would fetch quite a nice price.

Terry D.

As would my 69' Gold-Top :cry: :cry: :cry: :mad:

[Shai Hulud]

Originally posted by Wes_Powell
Two words.

Vox Valvetronix.

:)

-wp

:thu:

[TIP]

Models are fine for lots of tones...but the tone of a slightly pushed tube amp. I think they get really close to the sound of a clean amp or a dimed amp...it's the in-between sounds that kind of fail a moddler...but they offer a lot of bang for the buck.

[Stonedtone]

Originally posted by warped666


maybe... maybe not.

companies can go out of business and BAM! price jump

:D What digital shit is going to go up because Yoshimingowa goes out of biz :rolleyes:
What Terri says is way true. The frequency of improvements to digital design, whic very quickly makes the previous release obsolete happens all the time. Soem of the best tube amp designs are timeless and the current designs are build on the basics of amp made in the 50's-60's.

[Wes_Powell]

Originally posted by Kin Corn Karn

Stonedtone will be glad to see that :D If I remember right, I recommended them to him.

:)

-wp

[Stonedtone]

Originally posted by Kin Corn Karn

Stonedtone will be glad to see that :D


:mad: shhhh. I would never buy one of those POS. I'ma tube snob, damn it :mad:

[Wes_Powell]

Originally posted by Shai Hulud


:thu: I was thinking of shooting the grill black myself.

:)

-wp

[Shai Hulud]

Originally posted by Wes_Powell
I was thinking of shooting the grill black myself.

:)

-wp

Black grill would look good on a VT.

[Deny]

I find that for most purposes a modeler can get the job done; the one thing modelers can't duplicate yet is dynamic response/headroom. Tube amps sound sexy, and sometimes even sexier when you turn down the guitar volume knob a little, whereas modelers sound dull and sterile.

But fear not, as processing power increases exponentially month after month, I'm positive the next breakthrough in modeling will be in that department, because honestly I believe there's not much left those tiny boxes can't do - I own a Digitech GNX4 and that thing sounds killer, no shit.

My comparison rig is a Triaxis and JMP-1 in parallel through a Laney VC100 all-tube amp, which is obviously better, but the modeler comes surprisingly close to any sound I can squeeze out of the rackmount gear.

I've been thinking about recording clips with both rigs and letting people guess which one is the modeler and which one is the all-tube rack, will do that as soon as I stop being a lazy fuck :o

[Mikeo]

Originally posted by Trent Bale
Tubes wear out. Digital lasts. Most can't tell the differance anyways. Tube amp lovers live a lie. Fools.

With no disrespect for loves of tube amps ( and that would be me, as I have never owned a modeling amp or a POD), this statement should be right on the money.

The sound are sampled and a computer algerythm, your ears should not be able to tell the difference, depending on sample rate.

Pschologically the thought creeps me out.

I have played the Fender Cybersonic and the Vox valuvetronix thing or what ever the call their modleing amp.

There just something about the warm glow of tub glissening on a dim light stage that looks so damn sexy.

There's never an up grade either, a Fender Twin or Deluxe is just so timeless, as fine sex with your HS sweetie in the back of your dad's car on a saturday night

[hammergjh]

The only people that really care about this are the musicians who are creating the music. People in the audience or listening to the records don't fucking care. They just want to listen to music that catches their ear, so to speak.

Only obsessed musicians care about what sound they're generating or how someone else created a sound they like. The people who pay for our music couldn't care less.

[TIP]

Originally posted by hammergjh
The only people that really care about this are the musicians who are creating the music. People in the audience or listening to the records don't fucking care. They just want to listen to music that catches their ear, so to speak.

Only obsessed musicians care about what sound they're generating or how someone else created a sound they like. The people who pay for our music couldn't care less.

Well someone has to care...or you get Nipplespank.:o

[Deny]

Originally posted by hammergjh
The only people that really care about this are the musicians who are creating the music. People in the audience or listening to the records don't fucking care. They just want to listen to music that catches their ear, so to speak.

Only obsessed musicians care about what sound they're generating or how someone else created a sound they like. The people who pay for our music couldn't care less.

I disagree, tone is often a source of inspiration for musicians, and anyone can tell an inspired solo from an uninspired one. So tone does affect the audience indirectly.

[MrKnobs]

Originally posted by Mikeo
The sound are sampled and a computer algerythm, your ears should not be able to tell the difference, depending on sample rate.

But the sounds are NOT sampled, they ARE generated by an algorithm. And the algorithm is far from perfect, so it doesn't sound much like a lightly overdriven tube amp, for example.

Again, it makes no difference whether a tone is generated by vacuum tubes or a computer, what matters is whether you like it. Taste is subjective.

But all this talk about tone not mattering to the public, well that's just bullshit. The average Joe or Jane might not be able to articulate what they like or dislike about the various instrument tones in a song, but the overall effect of the chosen tones supporting the feel of the song does NOT go unnoticed.

Terry D.

[TIP]

Originally posted by MrKnobs


But the sounds are NOT sampled, they ARE generated by an algorithm. And the algorithm is far from perfect, so it doesn't sound much like a lightly overdriven tube amp, for example.

Again, it makes no difference whether a tone is generated by vacuum tubes or a computer, what matters is whether you like it. Taste is subjective.

But all this talk about tone not mattering to the public, well that's just bullshit. The average Joe or Jane might not be able to articulate what they like or dislike about the various instrument tones in a song, but the overall effect of the chosen tones supporting the feel of the song does NOT go unnoticed.

Terry D.

:rolleyes: Yeah! What he said!

[Tatosh]

Originally posted by MrKnobs


But all this talk about tone not mattering to the public, well that's just bullshit. The average Joe or Jane might not be able to articulate what they like or dislike about the various instrument tones in a song, but the overall effect of the chosen tones supporting the feel of the song does NOT go unnoticed.

Terry D.


Word. I know this guy who couldn't care less about gear and the like, but after years of being subjected to the usual peavey solid state and modeler stuff at the clubs in town, he knew for certain that something was different when I took him to this classic rock club, where the band played only fender tube amps. His words where "I don't know what it is, but the guitars sound more natural, organic..."

I then explained to him the difference tube amps make. This club was big for a while. Everybody was talking about how good the band sounded, so it was pretty crowded for a while...

[:mad::love:]

Originally posted by hammergjh
The only people that really care about this are the musicians who are creating the music. People in the audience or listening to the records don't fucking care. They just want to listen to music that catches their ear, so to speak.

Only obsessed musicians care about what sound they're generating or how someone else created a sound they like. The people who pay for our music couldn't care less.


it's hard to create good music if your gear doesn't inspire you.

[Snouter]

Can y'all tell whether I am using a tube or a PODxt Live in this vid? Please give it 5 stars before you watch it so you don't forget. Thanks in advance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MeEuKNmQ24

[JoshuaTSP]

Originally posted by Snouter
Can y'all tell whether I am using a tube or a PODxt Live in this vid? Please give it 5 stars before you watch it so you don't forget. Thanks in advance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MeEuKNmQ24

*puke* Why would you do something like that? *puke*

[TIP]

Originally posted by Snouter
Can y'all tell whether I am using a tube or a PODxt Live in this vid? Please give it 5 stars before you watch it so you don't forget. Thanks in advance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MeEuKNmQ24


Put on a damn shirt and take a lesson...and the tone is awful.
I did like it though:D

[pushrodd]

At home at low volume, a Cyber Twin works best for me...hands down it's by far my most used amp.

OTOH, onstage with our band, can't seem to be happy with anything but a tube amp.

[GuitarHitman]

I despise digtal modelling. I've heard very little when it comes to digital modellers that I like. Roland/Boss being pretty much the main one. Korg is hit and miss too but I've managed to get a couple of tones out of Korg stuff I've found useable.

Line 6 on the other hand; I used a rack POD in the studio for a short while while I was practicing a solo for a song and I couldn't get a tone I liked out of it at all. Same goes for the Line 6 modelling amps. Pure garbage.

[Snouter]

Originally posted by TIP
I did like it though:D

Thanks. You gotta luv the idea of playing the general vocal melody AND the majority of the original riffs.

Don't forget to give it 5 stars!

Note: The tone is from the bridge pickup of the G&L S-500 (a bridge pickup in a strat is generally useless, but this has some kick to it) and the PODxt Live setting is a factory preset modelling a Marshall amp. I have played through Marshall half stacks before with the same guitar (at this year's Guitar Center Guitarmageddon in fact) and the PODxt Live is superior. Finally, these software based PODxt's are updated via the Line6 site so they do not become obsolete as fast as one would think.

Now if the repair shop could just finish up with my Variax. It has been 4 months. :(

[TIP]

Originally posted by Snouter


Thanks. You gotta luv the idea of playing the general vocal melody AND the majority of the original riffs.

Don't forget to give it 5 stars!

Note: The tone is from the bridge pickup of the G&L S-500 and the PODxt Live setting is a factory preset modelling a Marshall amp. I have played through Marshall haklf stacks before with the same guitar (at this year's Guitar Center Guitarmageddon in fact) and the PODxt Live is superior. Finally, these software based POD are updated via the Line6 site so they do not become obsolete as fast as one would think.

Now if the repair shop could just finish up with my Variax. It has been 4 months. :(


I liked it cause it made me laugh...I didn't think you were really serious:eek:

[JoshuaTSP]

Originally posted by TIP
I liked it cause it made me laugh...I didn't think you were really serious:eek:

AHAHAHAHAHH H AHA HHAH HAH HAHA AHA HAH HAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hammergjh]

Originally posted by TIP



I liked it cause it made me laugh...I didn't think you were really serious:eek:

I thought he showed some pretty good guitar chops, but I thought it sounded like shit.

He can play, all right.

[Spacetrucker]

I like tube amps as much as the next guy but for me it comes down to my individual needs and my Vox AD30VT fits them perfectly. I used to get frustrated with my Fender Super 60 cos I just couldn't hit the sweet tube spot in the house having a small kid and neighbours wall to wall. But with the AD30VT I can get some really workable tone at low volumes and it's a really versatile amp for recording too. I love it :)

[Shai Hulud]

Originally posted by Spacetrucker
I like tube amps as much as the next guy but for me it comes down to my individual needs and my Vox AD30VT fits them perfectly. I used to get frustrated with my Fender Super 60 cos I just couldn't hit the sweet tube spot in the house having a small kid and neighbours wall to wall. But with the AD30VT I can get some really workable tone at low volumes and it's a really versatile amp for recording too. I love it :)

My thoughts exactly on my AD50VT. :thu:

:cool:

[Uma Floresta]

Native Instruments Guitar Rig and Guitar Combos are pretty good, if you feed them enough signal and endlessly tweak amp and cab settings. Also, stick to the fender/vox/bassman models. Not too shabby.

If it were practical, I'd get a tube amp -- actually I'd get that new Fender Princeton Recording Amp. But it's not practical. :cry:

[Spacetrucker]

If I didn't have my AD30VT I'd seriously think about using Amplitube 2 for all my recording. I used the free trial of it for a couple of days and it was pretty darn awesome :eek: :cool:

[Marcy Lord]

Oh my god. Kill me alr3ady. The easy willingness to compromise for the sake of some questionable convienence is revolting. A perfect parallel to the mentality that furthered the Bush ascension. I am so disgusted with you shitheads.:rolleyes:

[Marcy Lord]

Originally posted by hammergjh
The only people that really care about this are the musicians who are creating the music. People in the audience or listening to the records don't fucking care. They just want to listen to music that catches their ear, so to speak.

Only obsessed musicians care about what sound they're generating or how someone else created a sound they like. The people who pay for our music couldn't care less.

perfect example of compromise masquarading as seeming nonchalantitude. Painfully insipid and beyond dolty. Leave this musicians forum. You don't belong in such a sacred place.

[Marcy Lord]

Originally posted by JoshuaTSP
I think a modeler can sound decent if it's tweeked properly.

Some things just work better for certain people.......have it be digital or analog.:thu:

That's like saying an Ann Coulter book is just as good as The Federalist Papers.

[Uma Floresta]

Originally posted by Marcy Lord
Oh my god. Kill me alr3ady. The easy willingness to compromise for the sake of some questionable convienence is revolting. A perfect parallel to the mentality that furthered the Bush ascension. I am so disgusted with you shitheads.:rolleyes:

I hope this is a joke. :wave:

[Marcy Lord]

Originally posted by Snouter
Can y'all tell whether I am using a tube or a PODxt Live in this vid? Please give it 5 stars before you watch it so you don't forget. Thanks in advance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MeEuKNmQ24

That's a POD bitch. :mad:

[Stonedtone]

Originally posted by Spacetrucker
If I didn't have my AD30VT I'd seriously think about using Amplitube 2 for all my recording. I used the free trial of it for a couple of days and it was pretty darn awesome :eek: :cool:

AD30VT :rolleyes:
WTF. I would never admit owning one of those toys :mad:

[Marcy Lord]

Originally posted by Uma Floresta


I hope this is a joke. :wave:

trut so pure aint no joke:mad:

[d0zerz]

Originally posted by Marcy Lord


That's a POD bitch. :mad:

....And from what I heard....a perfect example of POD sterility :o

[Spacetrucker]

Originally posted by Snouter
Can y'all tell whether I am using a tube or a PODxt Live in this vid? Please give it 5 stars before you watch it so you don't forget. Thanks in advance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MeEuKNmQ24

:freak:

Why do you hate staying in the correct key? :(

[uv7lng]

Originally posted by Stonedtone


AD30VT :rolleyes:
WTF. I would never admit owning one of those toys :mad:

:thu:

[Shai Hulud]

Originally posted by Stonedtone


AD30VT :rolleyes:
WTF. I would never admit owning one of those toys :mad:

:)

Then why are you receiving one in the mail on Friday... and using it at your gig. :o

[Marcy Lord]

Originally posted by Spacetrucker


:freak:

Why do you hate staying in the correct key? :(

hECK, i THOUGHT HE DID A GOOD JOB SONSIDERING HE HAD NO SHIRT AND HIS Nips are PUFFIES.:thu:

puffies:love:

[uv7lng]

Originally posted by Marcy Lord


trut so pure aint no joke:mad:

You're dealing with people that have road kill for dinner after wearing their Sunday best to Church. A Pod is a miracle of modern technology to them. :D

[hammergjh]

Originally posted by Marcy Lord


perfect example of compromise masquarading as seeming nonchalantitude. Painfully insipid and beyond dolty. Leave this musicians forum. You don't belong in such a sacred place.

Perfect example of what I was saying. The irony is always thick around you and you don't fucking get it. Only an obsessed musician, which you even don't even qualify as, gives a shit about tone.

Snouter's wanking notwithstanding, most non-musicians listening to that clip would love it if they were into that genre of music. I thought it sounded like crap, but I'm a audiophile and very picky. And I don't like metal.

No offense to snouter, who can outplay me by a mile.

Go suck a hot 12AX7 dual triode tube, you fucking wannabe.

[Stonedtone]

Originally posted by Shai Hulud


:)

Then why are you receiving one in the mail on Friday... and using it at your gig. :o

shhhhhhh :mad:
Only a fool would own one of those toys :mad:

[Uma Floresta]

Originally posted by Marcy Lord


trut so pure aint no joke:mad:

In that case, have a colostomy on the house. :freak:

[Shai Hulud]

Originally posted by uv7lng


You're dealing with people that have road kill for dinner after wearing their Sunday best to Church. A Pod is a miracle of modern technology to them. :D

Let's hear some of your great "tube" guitar clips. :)

[Shai Hulud]

Originally posted by Stonedtone


shhhhhhh :mad:
Only a fool would own one of those toys :mad:

It's nice to have you amongst the fools. Welcome. :thu:

[TIP]

Originally posted by Marcy Lord


hECK, i THOUGHT HE DID A GOOD JOB SONSIDERING HE HAD NO SHIRT AND HIS Nips are PUFFIES.:thu:

puffies:love:


You now have absolutely no taste in my book...I sure hope GFE's record is good...cause you gave that a good review as well.
Snouter is a nice guy...but that was awful on all levels.
Except the greasey man tits:thu:

[Marcy Lord]

Originally posted by hammergjh


Perfect example of what I was saying. The irony is always thick around you and you don't fucking get it. Only an obsessed musician, which you even don't even qualify as, gives a shit about tone.

Snouter's wanking notwithstanding, most non-musicians listening to that clip would love it if they were into that genre of music. I thought it sounded like crap, but I'm a audiophile and very picky. And I don't like metal.

No offense to snouter, who can outplay me by a mile.

Go suck a hot 12AX7 dual triode tube, you fucking wannabe.

hahahaha:D

you have to leave now when you call "Watchtower" metal...please, leave oh picky one, the audiophile door is to the left, bitch:p

[Marcy Lord]

Originally posted by TIP



You now have absolutely no taste in my book...I sure hope GFE's record is good...cause you gave that a good review as well.
Snouter is a nice guy...but that was awful on all levels.
Except the greasey man tits:thu:

I was trying to be nice. Damn, I can't win:(

[Marcy Lord]

Originally posted by uv7lng


You're dealing with people that have road kill for dinner after wearing their Sunday best to Church. A Pod is a miracle of modern technology to them. :D

What if the roadkill was kin? Like the family dog? Is that bbqable?:confused:

I just don't know all the does and donts in the trailer park shit world:(

[Stonedtone]

Originally posted by Marcy Lord


I was trying to be nice. Damn, I can't win:(

:D Yeah, that was sweet :love:

[Marcy Lord]

Originally posted by Shai Hulud


Let's hear some of your great "tube" guitar clips. :)

His Randall has 4 transferaBLE PREAMPS. hE GOES mESA TO vOX TO pLEXI TO cRATE.

[hammergjh]

Originally posted by Marcy Lord


hahahaha:D

you have to leave now when you call "Watchtower" metal...please, leave oh picky one, the audiophile door is to the left, bitch:p

Damn, yer dense. That wasn't a metal song, just the way he played it. Do I gots to spell it out for you? Well, yeah, I guess I do, since you're a special needs child.

[Utah Saints]

Originally posted by Marcy Lord
Oh my god. Kill me alr3ady. The easy willingness to compromise for the sake of some questionable convienence is revolting. A perfect parallel to the mentality that furthered the Bush ascension. I am so disgusted with you shitheads.:rolleyes:

God shut the fuck up pretentious asshole :wave:

[the otter]

Originally posted by Shai Hulud


Let's hear some of your great "tube" guitar clips. :)


Only if battle with him...


HE IS REALLY FUCKING GOOD!

:o

[Marcy Lord]

Originally posted by hammergjh


Damn, yer dense. That wasn't a metal song, just the way he played it. Do I gots to spell it out for you? Well, yeah, I guess I do, since you're a special needs child.


. Worst evasion to date since Shai said he doesn't fuck his mom anymore because she's now a lesbian.:rolleyes:

[Shai Hulud]

Originally posted by Marcy Lord



. Worst evasion to date since Shai said he doesn't fuck his mom anymore because she's now a lesbian.:rolleyes:

And warped cries like a bitch when I insult you. :rolleyes:

Oh the irony.

[Marcy Lord]

Originally posted by Utah Saints


God shut the fuck up pretentious asshole :wave:

I can't help it if I have taste, dignity and am articulate enough to present myself in a debonair and sophisticated fashion.

Hey, fix the screen door in your trailer. The porto potty flies at the driveway's end are complaining your riffraff flies are coming to their paradise.:rolleyes:

[Utah Saints]

hehehe, dude you like modelers?

You must be a Bush votaerrrrr

bow to my astute political views and musical prowesssss as i talk about tube ampz and mention the federalist papers to look smart!!1222

[Marcy Lord]

Originally posted by Shai Hulud


And warped cries like a bitch when I insult you. :rolleyes:

Oh the irony.

What insult?:confused:

[Marcy Lord]

Originally posted by Utah Saints
hehehe, dude you like modelers?

You must be a Bush votaerrrrr

bow to my astute political views and musical prowesssss as i talk about tube ampz and mention the federalist papers to look smart!!1222


hahaha.
you're funny for a hayseed:thu:

[Utah Saints]

Originally posted by Marcy Lord



hahaha.
you're funny for a hayseed:thu:

:D :wave:

*reclines in naugahide chair held together by duct tape and changes the channel to maury povich on my 13 inch black and white in my trailer *

[Shai Hulud]

Originally posted by Marcy Lord


What insult?:confused:

I thought you were leaving for a while.....

http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1387562

[hammergjh]

Originally posted by Shai Hulud


And warped cries like a bitch when I insult you. :rolleyes:

Oh the irony.

Pretentious, condecsending and disdainful only start to describe ML.

All I can think is that his parents didn't love him and he was picked on mercilessly as a young boy.

It's pretty sad, really.

[Shai Hulud]

Originally posted by Shai Hulud


I thought you were leaving for a while.....

http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1387562

[hammergjh]

Originally posted by Shai Hulud


He's generally pretty amusing. I just get a kick out of fucking with him. He is a worthy adversary.

[Marcy Lord]

I did. For the rest of that day.
:)

:wave:

[Shai Hulud]

Originally posted by hammergjh


He's generally pretty amusing. I just get a kick out of fucking with him. He is a worthy adversary.

I love it when he gets all sad and annoyed because everyone is picking on him. :D

[ulank]

What types of amps do modellers seek to emulate? Tube amps. So obviously there's something special about tube amps that every player wants to get his hands on.

What I find funny is people who use POD's say most people can't hear the difference between a POD and a tube amp, but for some reason, they must think most people *can* hear the difference between a Marshall and a Mesa - otherwise, why the need to model so many different types of amps?

As a user, when you get down to it, you can certainly hear and feel the differences between a Mesa and a Marshall and a POD and a tube amp. But once it hits the tape, all that's really distinguishable is the level of gain and whether it sounds "fat" or "thin" or "round" or "flat" or "bright" or "dark" (i.e. EQ).

With gain, you have clean or high-gain or somewhere in between and there are plenty of tube amps that cover that territory. And for most styles of guitar-oriented music, the high-gain realm isn't necessary and there are even more tube amps that cover the clean to dirty territory very well. From there, shaping the sound is simply a matter of EQ and pickup choice.

So the reality is, with one good tube amp and one good guitar, any necessary, usable good tone is achievable. Therefore, the versatility of a POD is overrated because you don't need one to achieve the variety of tones that are actually distinguishable by most listeners anyway.

That being said, a POD does have its benefits and uses. It's a cost-effective way of getting a variety of usable tones on tape with minimal effort on the recording front. There's no need to worry about mic placement, the effect of the room, etc.

On the other hand, there are elements of skill and art in mic placement and utilizing room dynamics that yield completely different vibes as well. It's just another aspect to the player getting his/her sound on tape and creating a vibe that works for the whole mix. So while one guy might enjoy dialing through a gazillion patches, settings and digital effects, another guy prefers different mic and room placements.

The one thing that still seems to consistently fall short on the POD realm is the feel and the dynamic interaction between the player's hands and the amp. When I plug into a tube amp, it feels like an extension of my hands. When I plug in to a POD, it feels like I'm just playing the strings and some sound is coming out on the other end. Pros and cons to both.

[Zeopold]

Originally posted by warped666
What do you guys think?



Tone is in your fingers

[Uma Floresta]

I've never tried a pod, but I don't like the sounds I've heard so far. I'm not against modeling in general. In a few more years, I'm sure the modelers will have caught up to the real thing.

[Wes_Powell]

Originally posted by Shai Hulud


Let's hear some of your great "tube" guitar clips. :) Fair warning. uv7lng is a very good player with a very good tone.

And he has a plethora of clips.

:)

-wp

[the otter]

Originally posted by Shai Hulud


And warped cries like a bitch when I insult you. :rolleyes:

Oh the irony.

ha ha!

poor little shai....

just a boy.

[the otter]

Originally posted by Wes_Powell
Fair warning. uv7lng is a very good player with a very good tone.

And he has a plethora of clips.

:)

-wp

I totally agree

I've heard both of them... I remixed shai.. so yeah, I have his tracks if you guys wanna hear his tone!! Or singing!

:rofl:

and really shai is not even 1/100th of UV


cries like a what now?

:confused:

[IvIark]

There's plenty of room in this world for both.

I have 4 nice amps and a PODxt and love them all, and use them mostly for different things.

Arguing which is best is like arguing that the hammer is a much better tool than a screwdriver.

[Trent Bale]

Hammer slays a screwdriver asshole.

[Stonedtone]

Originally posted by ulank
What types of amps do modellers seek to emulate? Tube amps. So obviously there's something special about tube amps that every player wants to get his hands on.

What I find funny is people who use POD's say most people can't hear the difference between a POD and a tube amp, but for some reason, they must think most people *can* hear the difference between a Marshall and a Mesa - otherwise, why the need to model so many different types of amps?

As a user, when you get down to it, you can certainly hear and feel the differences between a Mesa and a Marshall and a POD and a tube amp. But once it hits the tape, all that's really distinguishable is the level of gain and whether it sounds "fat" or "thin" or "round" or "flat" or "bright" or "dark" (i.e. EQ).

With gain, you have clean or high-gain or somewhere in between and there are plenty of tube amps that cover that territory. And for most styles of guitar-oriented music, the high-gain realm isn't necessary and there are even more tube amps that cover the clean to dirty territory very well. From there, shaping the sound is simply a matter of EQ and pickup choice.

So the reality is, with one good tube amp and one good guitar, any necessary, usable good tone is achievable. Therefore, the versatility of a POD is overrated because you don't need one to achieve the variety of tones that are actually distinguishable by most listeners anyway.

That being said, a POD does have its benefits and uses. It's a cost-effective way of getting a variety of usable tones on tape with minimal effort on the recording front. There's no need to worry about mic placement, the effect of the room, etc.

On the other hand, there are elements of skill and art in mic placement and utilizing room dynamics that yield completely different vibes as well. It's just another aspect to the player getting his/her sound on tape and creating a vibe that works for the whole mix. So while one guy might enjoy dialing through a gazillion patches, settings and digital effects, another guy prefers different mic and room placements.

The one thing that still seems to consistently fall short on the POD realm is the feel and the dynamic interaction between the player's hands and the amp. When I plug into a tube amp, it feels like an extension of my hands. When I plug in to a POD, it feels like I'm just playing the strings and some sound is coming out on the other end. Pros and cons to both.

I just spend $2200 on a tube amp that emulates a POD. I'll tell ya, it come real close. It almost doesn't sound like an amp. I think I have to do some tweaks

[Shai Hulud]

Originally posted by warped666


I totally agree

I've heard both of them... I remixed shai.. so yeah, I have his tracks if you guys wanna hear his tone!! Or singing!

:rofl:

and really shai is not even 1/100th of UV


cries like a what now?

:confused:

I don't really give a rat's ass on how I measure up to uv7lng when it comes to musicianship. Lots of people here on OJ are better than me... so what.

I don't give a fuck what you think of me or my music. Your opinion is so irrelevant. You were the one who approached me about the whole "remix" thing. I didn't approach you. You didn't seem phony or fake, two years ago... but things do change and I've definitely learned my lesson.

Keep on, keepin' on being a big backstabbing, sycophant cunt. You are much better at that.... than being a 2nd rate techno/electro composer or whatever the fuck you call yourself.

Yours truly,

Shai Hulud


:thu:

[Shai Hulud]

Originally posted by ulank

So the reality is, with one good tube amp and one good guitar, any necessary, usable good tone is achievable. Therefore, the versatility of a POD is overrated because you don't need one to achieve the variety of tones that are actually distinguishable by most listeners anyway.



I don't agree with that. We've argued about this before.

I owned a Mesa Boogie Triple Rectifier... and I tried to get Marshall-like tones... Fender-like tones.... even Diezel-like and Soldano-like tones and it always sounded good... but it sounded like a Mesa Rectifier every time.

Oh and clean tones... there's no way a Mesa Rec could achieve Fender-like cleans or even a Roland, solid-state clean.

[d0zerz]

Originally posted by Shai Hulud


I don't really give a rat's ass on how I measure up to uv7lng when it comes to musicianship. Lots of people here on OJ are better than me... so what.

I don't give a fuck what you think of me or my music. Your opinion is so irrelevant. You were the one who approached me about the whole "remix" thing. I didn't approach you. You didn't seem phony or fake, two years ago... but things do change and I've definitely learned my lesson.

Keep on, keepin' on being a big backstabbing, sycophant cunt. You are much better at that.... than being a 2nd rate techno/electro composer or whatever the fuck you call yourself.

Yours truly,

Shai Hulud


:thu:

oh jeebuz :o

[Trent Bale]

Originally posted by Shai Hulud

You didn't seem phony or fake, two years ago... but things do change and I've definitely learned my lesson.


Yours truly,

Shai Hulud


:thu:

WHAAAAAAAA!!!!:cry:


Don't cry. No crying in OJ.

:D

[the otter]

Originally posted by Shai Hulud

Keep on, keepin' on being a big backstabbing, sycophant cunt. You are much better at that.... than being a 2nd rate techno/electro composer or whatever the fuck you call yourself.

Yours truly,

Shai Hulud


:thu:

:o

I was kidding...

:bows:


but still...

:rofl:


edit: I should add... "cries like what" :D
point.

[joemudge4]

I got the VG-88 because trying to record my Ac30, Jmp, or even my Vibro Champ, in my appartment was pointless. I love a good tube amp, but some of the modelers today are amazing. I've made some recordings using both the VG-88 and my tube amps and I'd challenge anyone to pick out which is which.