Question: RIMS on pre-YESS Stage Custom??

[Lampy]

For the guru's of this board.....
I have a '98 Stage Custom set that I sounds OK to me (I'm a guitar player that can get by on drums in an emergency). I've got Hydraulics on it and, call me a throwback, I like the hydraulic sound.

Here's the question:
What could I expect if I set the toms up with RIMS?? Would it be very noticeable or subtle? Kind of like current YESS mounts??

Thanks


-Chris

[Sir Enrico Buttcock]

I'm having this problem: I want to fit my 14" Stage custom suspended(YESS) floor to with rims but so far with no success since I haven't found suitable rim system. So same prob here. :(

[Newman]

I have a Stage Custom from that year too. If you mount it with RIMS mounts, then you will have a big inch and a half hole left in the drum where the old tom arm once entered it. It will be like a big air vent. And since big air vents increase volume and decrease resonance, you would be defeating the purpose of RIMS mounts. So my advice to Lampy is to let it be.

Sir Enrico Buttdart: Since YESS mounts are only attached at the nodal points of the drum with screws, you could switch to RIMS without any problems. Go to leecustom.com and check out the Worldmax mounts and find the right size. Theyre pretty cheap!

[slambang]

Some type of isolation mount is a must for any drum. Mounting hardware which attaches directly to the shell, aside from the nodal point, will dampen shell vibration as well as transfer it into your mounting hardware (tom stand, bass mount, etc.) Less vibration = less tone.

I didn't realize there was such a big hole needed for the older Yamaha mounting system - reminds me of the old Pearl system. This aside, I think the benefits of isolation will greatly outweigh any negative issues caused by over venting. The hole's already there - the fundamental of the shell is already distorted. You need to harness every bit of vibration that shell can produce. Isolation will do that.

The Worldmax system looks good - they also offer a floor tom isolation system. The one thing I would do is switch mounting systems over to an "L" rod system. Gibraltar makes a good bracket - you can see it in the pic. Not the isolation mount - just the "L" rod bracket.
http://www.gibraltarhardware.com/pics/parts/series/tom_tom_mounting.jpg

This is something you can do relatively cheaply and it will tremendously improve the sound of your drums.

Good luck.

[Lampy]

Thanks for the info! So its a big hole showing on the drum vs. better vibration. For a set of basement drums that only see recording time, the look of the hole won't matter. Maybe I can get my wife to get it for me for Christmas..

[slambang]

Actually, the hole will be almost entirely concealed by the isolation system's mounting plate. If you don't go pointing it out, I doubt anyone will even notice.

good luck.

[Newman]

good point slambang

[dreamrealm]

Anyone there who have to change rims to pearl's.. I have such a old pearl world series set and in this set tom mounting arm pierces the shell... as you allready know.. So i think that... I'll put rims and then I rewrap them... What you think that do the sound if i put the wrap just go over the "old" tom arm hole?

[Dim_Sim]

my stage custom is from that year as well

on my 14x12 hanging floor, i had the tom bracket removed and attached to a blank pearl i.s.s mount. it has done absolute wonders to the sound and no you don't have a big "inch and a half" hole left in the drum... you just have another ordinary size vents and four mini ones around it where the tom bracket once screwed in. and trust me, this does not make the drum less resonant at all compared to the shell piercing mount which once lived on it.

[Newman]

Perhaps I was exhaggerating the size of the left over hole, its more like a half inch. But I was only trying to explain the result of venting on a drums resonance. Sorry. I'll never speak again.

[Snake]

Originally posted by slambang
Mounting hardware which attaches directly to the shell, aside from the nodal point, will dampen shell vibration as well as transfer it into your mounting hardware (tom stand, bass mount, etc.)
Sorry for a stupid question, but what is a "nodal point?":confused:

[Dim_Sim]

i think the nodal point is the point of the shell where vibration would only be minimally reduced if something were attached to it

[slambang]

Originally posted by Dim_Sim
i think the nodal point is the point of the shell where vibration would only be minimally reduced if something were attached to it

Exactly.
Nodal point mounting was a concept developed by Noble & Cooley which was adapted by Yamaha when designing their YESS mounting system. The theory comes right out of a physics book - it's the point on a vibrating plane which is virtually free from vibration.